vB Designers extincted!

[sabret00the]

Originally Posted by msimplay

true about nice clean designes when i came to vbulletin a year back i was all for flashy designs and i even have a flashy one myself
i converted myself from a free vb2 skin

however the point is i am quickly realising if i have a scope for my site in terms of getting larger eventually i will have to cut back on graphic designs and do more color designs
conserving bandwidth / serverload etc

i have noticed myself that the larger sites have good designs but are not graphic heavy

my new vb3 > * :\

that's all that matters.

[rebelsrock06]

Originally Posted by vbmechanic

Hey Pank, how's your new Porsche? I'm running out of garage room, I'll probably have to buy a new house soon with something more than this pitiful 6-car garage.. This house just doesn't go with my Enzo.

LOL LOL LOL

I know, i mean COME ON we are raking in the dough LOL


( To bad its not enough for much of anything unless you have a HUGE clientel and have sold tons of the styles )

[msimplay]

Originally Posted by sabret00the

my new vb3 > * :\

that's all that matters.

graphic heavy ?

i was talking about forums with posts in their millions and users in their thousands

http://www.avsforum.com/

[sabret00the]

nope it's not graphic heavy, i'm not a fan of graphic heavy skins

[13th_Disciple]

Originally Posted by sabret00the

nope it's not graphic heavy, i'm not a fan of graphic heavy skins

it's also not your place to say what is and what isn't right for everyone else.. if they choose a graphics heavy skin, it is of their own accord.. if you don't, that is of your own accord.. but saying people get charged too much, and then seeing what these cats have to go through on a daily basis, you wouldn't do it that cheap yourself..

having your own business often requires a ton of "free" goodies that are extras that are thrown in for either customer satisfaction, or to show that one will go the extra mile to keep their customers happy.. having said that, it's also fairly obvious that you have never run a business, been involved with the back office part of a business, or had to negotiate terms to help a business get awarded a job or multiple jobs.. and until you know what all of that is like, including customer satisfaction, i would think it in your own best interest to not worry about how much someone does or doesn't get paid for a job they do.. because you have no clue what that person has had to endure just to get the gig.

[msimplay]

Originally Posted by 13th_Disciple

it's also not your place to say what is and what isn't right for everyone else.. if they choose a graphics heavy skin, it is of their own accord.. if you don't, that is of your own accord.. but saying people get charged too much, and then seeing what these cats have to go through on a daily basis, you wouldn't do it that cheap yourself..

having your own business often requires a ton of "free" goodies that are extras that are thrown in for either customer satisfaction, or to show that one will go the extra mile to keep their customers happy.. having said that, it's also fairly obvious that you have never run a business, been involved with the back office part of a business, or had to negotiate terms to help a business get awarded a job or multiple jobs.. and until you know what all of that is like, including customer satisfaction, i would think it in your own best interest to not worry about how much someone does or doesn't get paid for a job they do.. because you have no clue what that person has had to endure just to get the gig.

what u on about he never said anything about forcing his opinion on anyone else :ermm:

[sabret00the]

Originally Posted by 13th_Disciple

it's also not your place to say what is and what isn't right for everyone else.. if they choose a graphics heavy skin, it is of their own accord.. if you don't, that is of your own accord.. but saying people get charged too much, and then seeing what these cats have to go through on a daily basis, you wouldn't do it that cheap yourself..

having your own business often requires a ton of "free" goodies that are extras that are thrown in for either customer satisfaction, or to show that one will go the extra mile to keep their customers happy.. having said that, it's also fairly obvious that you have never run a business, been involved with the back office part of a business, or had to negotiate terms to help a business get awarded a job or multiple jobs.. and until you know what all of that is like, including customer satisfaction, i would think it in your own best interest to not worry about how much someone does or doesn't get paid for a job they do.. because you have no clue what that person has had to endure just to get the gig.

why do you have such a hard on when it comes to my posts? honestly, please just answer me this, as it's not the first time you've full blown orgasmed in my face with whatever is shoved up your arse? you have no idea who i am or what i do for a living, if you honestly feel that as 23 i'm flipping burgers or slaving away for someone else then so be it, but come on, please don't publicise those assumptions as facts, fact of the matter if, you're a sad twat, i am allowed to have an opinion, whether you like it or not, so please in future, just ++++ off and grow up.

[sabret00the]

Originally Posted by msimplay

what u on about he never said anything about forcing his opinion on anyone else :ermm:

thanks for clearing that up, after reading his post, i was starting to get confused

[13th_Disciple]

actually, i am not on about anything.. nor am i trying to follow you around and comment on your posts.. but saying someone charges too much or stating you wouldn't pay for something is not even remotely related to this thread.. it's about the fact there are so few publicly known vb based designers that folks know they can trust and depend on to get work done.. i have also made no assumptions based on your age or anything else.. i assume at the age of 23 you are either in college or have begun a career track.. what i was pointing out is that it is not your decision or your choice as to what or why people charge what they do for the services, or lack there of, that they offer..

now, as far as me f'ing off, be glad to.. but as you said, my opinion is unto me as your is unto you.. i am just tired of seeing several people bad mouth, or talk down to others around here and injecting there opinions in something that does not firectly relate to anything about remotely reagrding the topic, the work, the existence of the thread or anything else.. it is not promoting the usefulness of the thread and only goes to counteract the exact reason for the thread.. vb designers are needed as are more developers of custom work.. the money they charge is strictly between themselves and the customer..

as for your responses to the threads themselves, i could careless.. i just think more people should consider what they say, why they say it, and who they are saying it to.. a little consideration goes a very long way..

[C.Birch]

why is it a small number of people have to start swearing and that in a topic like this, is there any real need for it?

[sabret00the]

Originally Posted by C.Birch

why is it a small number of people have to start swearing and that in a topic like this, is there any real need for it?

yes, theirs a very real need for it, as in such a discussion i take offence to a personal attack on me, so really you should ask if theirs any need for that, personally i felt that 13th Disciple should've behaved better than that, and my single swear word went along way in showing my infurity towards the matter.

regarding the actual subject matter of the thread, i will in actual fact repeat my initial sentiments, i feel people are overcharged in terms of skins, whether or not you or any other designer likes it or not, i feel that's the case, if i could was marketing my skills in saying so and saying i charge half what these guys do then that would be one thing, but i'm not, i'm giving my opinion in regards to a subject brought forth in the lounge.

[Chris Gwynne]

Cut out the offensiveness before this thread gets closed, which would be a shame.

I don't feel designers/skinners/whatever you want to call them charge too much, they charge depending on the amount of work that's involved in each specific project. I wouldn't charge $100 to someone for a design as high quality as WiredGamers for example, it's just not practical, do the math. You're working many many hours to design, developer and deliver a skin and should charge accordingly.

Back to original, there's quite a few vB designers around, you just have to know where to look for them.

[sabret00the]

Originally Posted by Chris Gwynne

I don't feel designers/skinners/whatever you want to call them charge too much, they charge depending on the amount of work that's involved in each specific project. I wouldn't charge $100 to someone for a design as high quality as WiredGamers for example, it's just not practical, do the math. You're working many many hours to design, developer and deliver a skin and should charge accordingly.

no ones asking you too, but in stating my opinion that in general designers are overcharged for skins, i don't expect to be attacked, people charging $5k for custom jobbies will always be ridiculous to me, just for a forum skin.

[msimplay]

Originally Posted by sabret00the

no ones asking you too, but in stating my opinion that in general designers are overcharged for skins, i don't expect to be attacked, people charging $5k for custom jobbies will always be ridiculous to me, just for a forum skin.

yeh i agree theres nothing wrong with stating an opinion especially if its linked to the forum topic in the first place
the last thing expected was to get gunned down by 13thdisciple

no offence but i saw that as an attack @ 13th

and i agree to the fact that forum skins do get overcharged
especially considering the whole forum is already pre done
its only a bit of css and html and all within the forum itself
vb3 is also the easiest skinnable forum out there

however it depends upon how far the customisation has gone
if its just graphics and html then no
but if its a proper custom design with all new php coding
and a whole website custom designed to fit the users needs in terms of what they want
IE new custom script (stats page)
then i would say they charge no more then other web designers out there
however thats web designers and not just forum skinners

lol having said that if i could afford 5k to skin a forum i might aswell go all out and get myself a whole site made at enterprise level

[MindTrix]

Heck would i pay in the thousands for a skin, thats just stupid, You could buy a car for that Shesh, when i see them prices you cant help but laugh, most i would pay for a skin would most likely be $50 and then id expect it to be a real nice graphic one. Moan all you want if you think thats cheap but if you think about it, thats not cheap.