Plugin vs. Code modification

[Paul M]

"extensions" seems logical.

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by Paul M

"extensions" seems logical.

Indeed, as you are extending the functionality of vBulletin

Satan

[Regs]

This place is whacked, I swear... Talk about over-complicating something that should be so simple!

Tell me, how many vB.org staff members does it take to change a light bulb?

[tamarian]

Originally Posted by Erwin

We are basically missing an Addon forum - I am lobbying to have one added for now.

Erwin, this sentence was stuck in my mind for a while, as I was wondering who does Erwin have to lobby? I mean the hacks were moved ovenight from plugins to code midification without any word. And now the vb.org admins need to lobby to get it back or add a 3rd category?

I honetly mean no disrespect by asking this, but who is making these dicisions for vb.org? I can understand vb.com would want certain controls for licensing reasons, but other than that, the hack authors here (that would include staff and us non staff equally) should be the ones deciding on what happens with our work..

The recent closed discussion and the insulting idea that "authors may exploit members" and ending the discussion with "this is how it's going to be for now" does further my concerns that mod authors no longer have any say on how their work would be handled, and decisions would be made on their behalf without consultation with them or without even an explanation until the deed is done.

Categoris and classification issues would pale in comparison to having external sources dictate things, (or by some staff) despite what is best for mod authors and mod users, with no consultation, and this new attitude by staff ("this is how it's going to be", "stop talking about it", "what do you need it for?" etc....).

[Dream]

Plug-ins
if (ONLY plug-ins || ONLY(plug-ins && template mods))

• Plug-n-Play - if (ONLY plug-ins)

Code Mods
if (php code modifications)

Extensions
if (ONLY upload files || ONLY(upload files && (template mods || plug-ins))

• AdminCP Extensions made by Dream

[Xenon]

Name: Extensions ^^

and to answer your question Tamarian:
The hacks were moved, because of one reason: within the plugin releases just real plugins should be (speak, you can add them just via admincp)
Not every admin of a board has FTP access as well, that's why there are different admin permissions since vb3 as well.

moving extra files into the modification forum is just the way it was before 3.5
additional files have been in the code modification forums as well, noone complaint.

Of course it's a bit messy right now, but you should all realize, that vb3.5 is still in BETA.
during vb3 we didn't even allow releases of hacks.
We're working on our new Database system, which would make all those discussions here irrelevant, as it will use tags instead of forumseparations. You see we already started to do so when you edit a hack, and have to tick checkboxes. There will be some more in the future.
Because no matter what separation we will do right now, there will always be hybrids: template and plugin, plugin and extension, extension and code mod.....
we cannot create one forum for every single possibility, thats why we are discussion the best intermediate way within the staff, and as the staff is not one person, everyone has a bit different pov about what would be the best way

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by Regs

This place is whacked, I swear... Talk about over-complicating something that should be so simple!

Tell me, how many vB.org staff members does it take to change a light bulb?

4,945

Purely because you would require that many users online to get a total feedback of one message per second to annoy the actual user trying to change the lightbulb

Btw: w00t - Extensions!

Satan

[tamarian]

Originally Posted by Xenon

Of course it's a bit messy right now, but you should all realize, that vb3.5 is still in BETA.

Fair enough, even though 3.5 may not go gold for several months.

I guess my comment was about some fundamentals in forum management:

1. Do you guys want vb.org to be suitable to vb.org staff first and foremost, or do you want it to be suitable for vb.org staff, members, developers, style artists, and all hack/mod/plugin/style users.

2. Do you want vb.org to be outstanding in it's offerings and capabilities, or do you want to just meat the minimum needs, nothing beyond what is is absolutely required.

I hope you'd throw this in for a quick check in your meetings.

The majority of vb.org members (all members) run various online communities and are aware of the dynamics of successful online communities. They are your friends, not "the others", and can be very helpful simply by the knowledge and experience they have.

You may gain a lot of insight if you simply announce your plans in advance and seek their input and feedback, they may surprise you by ideas and solution you never thought of, and make things a lot easier for everyone. Not to change things first, and say "that's how it" is later, or "what do you need that for..", or "stop talking about it".. etc..

[Erwin]

I was going to use the term "Uploads" but "Extensions" sound heaps better... let me go change it now...

[Erwin]

Refer to this announcement on the terms to be used:
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=91582

This should standardise it so people know what everyone is talking about.