VB3 Integrated Multi-Portal - Any Interest?

[13th_Disciple]

ok.. so this will use nuke based modules.. so i am assuming for a second here that there is a downloads module.. a links module.. a banner management module.. a shoutbox module.. things like that.. i almost know for sure there are.. but as much as i like this idea.. i have vbindex running like a top and it works.. however, i have spoken to NTLDR about some extras i would like to see..

if he gets his next version out any time soon, i hope to see those changes in there.. but i seriously like this little deal here FAS.. i am just hesitant about too many changes at any one time on a site that users are already used to.. however, as i said, i will set this up sometime and look into it heavily once you have a RC/ BETA..

[Reeve of shinra]

I was going to use vb index but the more I see FAShermans work and site, the more I am growing to love this.

[thebigboss]

Originally Posted by AlexanderT

I paid a couple of days ago, only to see how they are doing with the current beta for vB3. I wouldn't recommend anyone to use it on a live-system ... it is really buggy still.

On the contrary, it is very stable and an upgrade from 2.x->3.x is to be out this week or next. It has been running live at www.vbportal.com since December and a few hundred members sites since March. I would highly recommend it. It also supports multi-portals and vbportal have a head start of having already converted a lot of the popular modules since phpnuke 4.0 days. The new vbp3 isn't based of the nuke code though and is not prone to the 150 + querys that all the nuke modules are. 15-25 querys in a heavily Content driven module and you can also have different blocks in every single module, any column, any weight and each module can also have its own skin so its possible to give each a unique look and there almost all template based to as well as an extensive set of permissions and options across the modules and usergroups. There's also a filestore module due out as an addon and a gallery, a bug-tracker and the very popular classifieds. The Computer encyclopedia is to be made available for those with no Content in the Encyclopedia of their own which is over 500KB alone. Well worth the $20 premium membership.

If your just 'dropping' unconverted nuke modules in place, they would be using whatever number of querys the module is coded with and some of them go into the hundreds on a single page. How do you propose to keep the query count down then, if your not changing the phpnuke core code ?

[AlexanderT]

thebigboss, and why didn't you say that you are part of the vBPortal team (scotsmist)

If you look at the hundreds of fixes that are currently posted in the vBP support forum, and since these fixes are not yet integrated in the currently downloadable Beta 1, I must say that it is anything BUT NOT STABLE.

Btw, even wajones agrees with me that vBP 3 Beta 1 is not stable enough for a live system.

vbPortal 3.0 beta 1.0 has been released to Premium Members for beta testing only, not for installation on a live web site and there will not be an upgrade script until a future release.

Some users are not listening and are installing vbPortal 3.0 on their live websites. While the majority of those that have done so haven't had any problems, there are those that have. We can not support you if you do this, your on you own... period.

Those that have not installed yet, please note that it is a "Premium Member Beta Test Only" and only to be installed for testing on a test site. NOT YOUR LIVE WEB SITE

[13th_Disciple]

vbportal is fully capable of 100 + queries.. I have seen it on my own site when I was using is.. hence, the reason I am no longer using it.. I used to like it, but found too many things left unanswered in the forums, and not enough time devoted to solid documentation.. all in all, i just found it incomplete..

there are a few things vbindex is missing, as well, imo.. but it is very stable, small enough to not require a book of documentation.. and the queries.. well.. what queries.. 13 on my front page.. maybe 14.. a base install of vbportal generated more than that, as best i remember..

[FASherman]

I just received another question via email asking me if I could force portals to have particular styles, overriding the default user style but if none is specified, go ahead and use the default style.

The short answer is yes. I can force a portal to use a particular style instead of the user default. It will work just like defining a style for a forum. If you specify one, it'll use it, otherwise, it will use the user's individual default.

For example, if I have a sports forum and I create a sports style specifically for the sports forums and subforums. I create a sports portal.

When User A views my politics forum, the portal uses his default style, liquid grey. But when he views the sports portal, it uses the sports style. When he goes to the entertainment portal, back to liquid grey.

I haven't coded this yet because I want to finish the article module. But I looked at the logic for the code and its pretty darned easy. I'll have a working example by Friday.

[FASherman]

Originally Posted by thebigboss

If your just 'dropping' unconverted nuke modules in place, they would be using whatever number of querys the module is coded with and some of them go into the hundreds on a single page. How do you propose to keep the query count down then, if your not changing the phpnuke core code ?

I've given this a great deal of thought too. I'm considering releasing the PHPNuke 7.1 based version as the beta and using CPG-Nuke as the basis for the final release.

So VB3Nuke Final Version 1 would also encompass all of the CPG-Nuke improvements:

CPG Nuke Core Features

CGP-Nuke Core Acceleration
10x Speed Increase Compared to PHP-Nuke
30% Reduction in Base Code
Global Functions (that can be reused for any module) I already do this with the vBulletin info

CPG-Nuke Database Acceleration
Replaced all $dbi calls to $db
Uses 50% Fewer Database Querys
Advanced Database Query (verbose) Debugging

Advanced Security
Mister's Protector System (protector.warcenter.se)
Secured Against UNION and other Attacks
Removed WebMail for Increased Security
Selectable Security Code (shown only where and to whom you want)
Security Code is Based on Theme

i18n Intergration
International Language Support
CPG - Nuke Autodetects Languages and Sets as Default

Coppermine Photogallery
Multi-Purpose Fully-Featured and Integrated Web Picture Gallery
Complete Groups Intragration and Adminstration
Supports Uploads and User Gallerys

Ecommerce System
OSCNuke(Lite) Pre-Intergration (oscnukelite.org)
Setup, Run, and Maintain an Online Store

BBcode Enhancements
Use BBcode in all postings
HTML Support
Multimedia Support (flash, etc)


This way, we could have a stable version 1 of VB3Nuke by July 4th that outperforms any VB3 portal system AND is more fully integrated as a true CMS.

[13th_Disciple]

all of that is good.. except for the store bit.. I already use OSCommerce.. but it is a great option for others considering doing the same..

i am quite anxious to see a version encompassing all of this with query info and load times per page.. i remember you mentioned a single query a page back or maybe first page.. looks like that will have to increase unless you are caching everything.. which, i guess, would make the page a bit slow at first initial load.. but would move right along after that.. very good work, FAS.

[thebigboss]

Originally Posted by AlexanderT

thebigboss, and why didn't you say that you are part of the vBPortal team (scotsmist)

If you look at the hundreds of fixes that are currently posted in the vBP support forum, and since these fixes are not yet integrated in the currently downloadable Beta 1, I must say that it is anything BUT NOT STABLE.

Btw, even wajones agrees with me that vBP 3 Beta 1 is not stable enough for a live system.

I thought it was common knowledge (it is know, )

it doesn't actually say it isn't stable enough. On the contrary, the Credits say the opposite.

the issue around installing on a live site is a simple one, its to seperate vbportal issues from vbulletin issues and not spend time looking for needles in haystacks.

vbportal is fully capable of 100 + queries..

, but we are talking about vbportal 3.0 and its well capable of 15 querys. 100+ applys to phpnuke modules such as web_links, downloads, encyclopedia (150+), classifieds in their 'unconverted' state. Every module for vbportal 3.0 uses 6 querys for a no-permission page and 1-3 querys per modules content, again depending on where your viewing, then whatever blocks. The blocks can be cached, so its down to the individual laying out each module and what blocks they want, displayed where, remembering that every module can have its own blocks in the left right and center columns, in their own weight and its own templates if you want.

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Originally Posted by thebigboss
If your just 'dropping' unconverted nuke modules in place, they would be using whatever number of querys the module is coded with and some of them go into the hundreds on a single page. How do you propose to keep the query count down then, if your not changing the phpnuke core code ?

I've given this a great deal of thought too. I'm considering releasing the PHPNuke 7.1 based version as the beta and using CPG-Nuke as the basis for the final release.

So VB3Nuke Final Version 1 would also encompass all of the CPG-Nuke improvements:

CPG Nuke Core Features

CGP-Nuke C...

I meant how are you going to keep down the number of querys the phpnuke modules and blocks use, if its using phpnuke modules in a drop in form ? the downloads, with 10 categories and 10 subcategories in each will produle 100 querys just to open the downloads index page on any system, unless you redo the code. it loops inside loops querying the db.
What do you propose to reduce the downloads module producing 100+ querys when viewing the index page or the encyclopedia module producing 150+ querys ?

[13th_Disciple]

Originally Posted by thebigboss

but we are talking about vbportal 3.0 and its well capable of 15 querys. 100+ applys to phpnuke modules such as web_links, downloads, encyclopedia (150+), classifieds in their 'unconverted' state. Every module for vbportal 3.0 uses 6 querys for a no-permission page and 1-3 querys per modules content, again depending on where your viewing, then whatever blocks. The blocks can be cached, so its down to the individual laying out each module and what blocks they want, displayed where, remembering that every module can have its own blocks in the left right and center columns, in their own weight and its own templates if you want.

yes but half of the reason for having vbportal inthe first place was because it was an all in one solution.. when the all in one is not optimized, then it isn't an all in one.. you folks claim optimization on your site.. in fact, it was one of the things that heavily touted awhile back.. but it is hardly optimized.. anyway, no sense worrying about it.. this thread is mainly about the *nuke based multi-portal and not about vbportal..