Why not vBulletin 7 ?

[Master Of Unive]

Originally Posted by Dave

I believe there's a version out there that has support for PHP 7 at vbulletin.com, but it's not stable release. (?)

Yes, there is a project by Paul to make vb4 support php 7 https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=322892

It's in alpha test.

[Replicant]

Originally Posted by Paul M

The basic design of VB5 means it will just wont perform that well on large sites

I know vB3 and 4 handle large sites very well. As far as vB5 not performing well on large sites, I've heard this many times but with zero examples. I wouldn't know from experience since my site is just a baby. I know vb.com isn't the largest or busiest site by any means, but it seems to purr along quite happily every time I visit. Is the limitation on vB5 because of the architecture or is it just resource hungry basically limited to the computing power of the particular server it's on?

[Master Of Unive]

Originally Posted by Replicant

I know vB3 and 4 handle large sites very well. As far as vB5 not performing well on large sites, I've heard this many times but with zero examples. I wouldn't know from experience since my site is just a baby. I know vb.com isn't the largest or busiest site by any means, but it seems to purr along quite happily every time I visit. Is the limitation on vB5 because of the architecture or is it just resource hungry basically limited to the computing power of the particular server it's on?

The architecture I think. Beside vbulletin requires minimum 100 queries each request (I've tested on an empty board on localhost) isn't a good idea, although half of them are database cache queries.

Without a proper cache driver and application base optimizatio, I don't think large forum can render below 2s, they should have other choices of software.

vBOptimise of DBTech is really one of greatst vb4 modification.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by Master Of Unive

vB5 is lack of addons and vB want to tell us that we don't need modifications.

I dont really understand what you point is here, vB has never 'needed' modifications, but they are available if you wish to extend its functionality.

[Master Of Unive]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I dont really understand what you point is here, vB has never 'needed' modifications, but they are available if you wish to extend its functionality.

It's harder to make modifications in vb5 for developer. Extremely harder for ordinary users (Please don't say normal users do not make mods)

My point is, vB alone doesn't need modification, but a forum using vB needs modifications to keep itself alive. I haven't seen many "default" forums that are running.

[In Omnibus]

Originally Posted by Master Of Unive

It's harder to make a modification in vb5.

My point is, vB alone doesn't need modification, but a forum using vB needs modifications to keep itself alive. I haven't seen many "default" forums that are running.

Then you haven't looked because most of the vB5 forums are default, including the theme.

[Master Of Unive]

Originally Posted by ProSportsForums

Then you haven't looked because most of the vB5 forums are default, including the theme.

Theme shouldn't be included I think.

Large forums without custom mods? Could you show me some of them. I really want to expand my view.

[In Omnibus]

Originally Posted by Master Of Unive

Theme shouldn't be included I think.

Large forums without custom mods? Could you show me some of them. I really want to expand my view.

Your statement said nothing about large forums.

When you're done moving the goalposts let me know and I'll answer the question.

[Mark.B]

A lot of vB5 forums do get styled, at least to some degree, and in my travels round people's sites doing support I've seen some extremely nice ones....from fully fledged new themes where someone has clearly rewritten a lot of the style, to simple colour changes that really work and give the site some identity.

One of the things I personally feel does vB5 no favours at all, is that its default style is rather drab. Even if it were a brighter blue, it'd be nicer. Some of the 'themes' that now ship with the product are very nice and they provide a decent starting point to style the rest of the site.

Just to give an example:
This is my cloud demo site: https://www.adminammo.com/
I used the 'Black Red' theme as the basis for the style, but the css is heavily customised to move the look more towards the 'traditional' forum layout...a bit like vB3 and older forum scripts like XMB. Everything back in boxes, etc.

I'm not claming it as a work of genius, but it shows what can be done with vB5.
AND - that is a cloud site. So no templates were changed, as cloud sites don't allow it. It's all done with additional css.

I've done styling work for dozens of vB5 sites who upgraded from vB4 and wanted their 'old' look and feel back. Mostly I stick to stylvars, colour changes and custom css, because changing templates just causes problems when they next upgrade.

[twistsol]

Originally Posted by Mark.B

This is my cloud demo site: https://www.adminammo.com/
I used the 'Black Red' theme as the basis for the style, but the css is heavily customised to move the look more towards the 'traditional' forum layout...a bit like vB3 and older forum scripts like XMB. Everything back in boxes, etc.

Mark, did you ever complete the article documenting the additional CSS that you did to bring back the look and feel from prior VB versions? What you've accomplished without changing templates is truly impressive