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Old 11-22-2006, 01:26 PM
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I Think You Guys Are All Idiots For Helping Him Make Money Off Of You From Your Forums, Zoints Is Designed To Make Him Money, Get A Clue Little Kiddies, Why Would You Promote Someones Chit For Free While He's The Only One Who Bennifits From It?
Ah, there's always gotta' be a troll.
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Old 11-22-2006, 02:43 PM
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Zoints is awesome, stop hating on someone who helps the community so much. Alot of people got pissed off because he released 349734763 hacks at once and said there would be no support. In reality though hes given more support than most of those who offer it.
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Old 11-22-2006, 04:20 PM
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Zoints is awesome, stop hating on someone who helps the community so much. Alot of people got pissed off because he released 349734763 hacks at once and said there would be no support. In reality though hes given more support than most of those who offer it.
Actually, only the Zoints SEO has no support, it was released into the public domain under the LGPL.
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Old 11-22-2006, 04:37 PM
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I Think You Guys Are All Idiots For Helping Him Make Money Off Of You From Your Forums, Zoints Is Designed To Make Him Money, Get A Clue Little Kiddies, Why Would You Promote Someones Chit For Free While He's The Only One Who Bennifits From It?

And that is the stupidest theory i have ever heard in my life.

1. Of course he is out to gain something from it. It, maybe fame, fortune, a good time, whatever his goal is he's doing what it takes to get there and he isnt doing anything less then morale, or lying to get to the top. Its a little something called initiative, its what separates his work/forums from others.

Let me ask you, Whats the point of your forum? Is it just to say, "oh hey i have a internet forum. Look how cool i am!" I doubt it.

2. He isnt the only one that benefits from it. I used Zoints for a matter of 3 weeks, and gained a couple of active members from their network before i disabled it while i rework the site. Thats a couple of active members I never would have got without Zoints.
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Old 11-22-2006, 07:39 PM
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Well, I've always viewed Zoints as being like a clone of Pyramid investment schemes in it's design and how it works. And we all know only the pyramid starters made the money from them in the long-run.

God knows why I view Zoints that way, but the way it works just reminds me of the old pyramid investment scams. Sounds crazy I know, but thats what Zoints reminds me off!
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Old 11-23-2006, 12:51 AM
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I Think You Guys Are All Idiots For Helping Him Make Money Off Of You From Your Forums, Zoints Is Designed To Make Him Money, Get A Clue Little Kiddies, Why Would You Promote Someones Chit For Free While He's The Only One Who Bennifits From It?
I admit it. Zoints is using you and your forums for ulterior motives. However, the system is designed so that while we use you and your forum in an attempt to realize our 10th Guiding Principle, you benefit. I'm all about mutually beneficial relationships.

Does Zoints have the potential to become a reasonably big company? Yes. Will I personally make a lot of money from it? Not really, as I have chosen the path of karma yoga. I'm one of those annoying dirty (at least at heart ) hippies trying to spread peace and joy. I realize 87.59% of the people reading this just rolled their eyes, laughed, or threw up a little in their mouth (I know I would have a few years ago) but I have a little vision.

Why do I care so much about communities, and more importantly, interconnecting them? Does interconnecting increase traffic for forums? Yes. Does it increase the chance for success? Yes. Does it make forums more "sticky"? Yes. Does it increase revenue? Yes. Does it improve SEO? Yes. But it goes even deeper than that. Forum-based communities are global, borderless extensions of our society. On my personal big-board, more than 140 countries (last I checked) are represented. I have formed so many friendships with people from all over the world that I could go to just about any country and have a place to stay a night and probably a tour guide. Many of these countries are so called "enemies" of the USA.

If we interconnect online commmunities, then the interaction of members from other countries will only grow in scope. And as technologies such as real time language translation come about, then we'll all be able to interact, understand and befriend people of different cultures and belief systems more efficiently. Let's be honest, our governments are never going to bring about peace. It's the common man like you and me forming so many friendships around the world that will help bring it about. Because in the end, when you understand someone and come to befriend them, then only good things can happen.

No, I could care less about the money. I'm perfectly happy driving around my 91 Toyota pickup held together with duct tape and prayers. The day you see me in a fancy car I purchased, by all means, take a picture, stop the presses, and link to this post so the world can call me a fraud.

Will Zoints succeed on the level I hope? I don't know. But I have the resources to try, and in the end, it feels like the right thing to do. I must admit, I never thought trying to do good would be so hard. But if I take a step back and look at it from the perspective of others, I understand why. But in the end, someone has to try.

/damn hippy

P.S. As for the guy above who prefers Subway, I have filed an order of protection against you with the state of Arizona. You must stay at least 100 yards away from me at all times.
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Old 11-23-2006, 02:30 AM
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Well, I've always viewed Zoints as being like a clone of Pyramid investment schemes in it's design and how it works. And we all know only the pyramid starters made the money from them in the long-run.

God knows why I view Zoints that way, but the way it works just reminds me of the old pyramid investment scams. Sounds crazy I know, but thats what Zoints reminds me off!
LOL.

Zoints, not sure about that. :classic: zzzzzz....

Don't use any of these addons, modifications, hacks, whatever, so it means diddly-squat to me.
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Old 11-26-2006, 06:58 PM
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Name branding and advertising can be good (and often needed) for a company. Leaving enough traces of the name in various places is one way of doing so.

The only risk is that you overdo it and it gets seen as a negative thing (advertisements versus spamming). The only judge in this is the general opinion.
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Old 11-26-2006, 07:42 PM
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The only risk is that you overdo it and it gets seen as a negative thing (advertisements versus spamming). The only judge in this is the general opinion.
I think thats a fair comment and well put across.
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Old 11-27-2006, 08:08 AM
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Name branding and advertising can be good (and often needed) for a company. Leaving enough traces of the name in various places is one way of doing so.

The only risk is that you overdo it and it gets seen as a negative thing (advertisements versus spamming). The only judge in this is the general opinion.
I agree; a very well-put point. Jamster anyone? In this case, it also depends on what you happen to be selling, as well.

Though it's very difficult to find a happy medium in between healthy advertising and plain spamming. It's always nice to throw your name out everywhere, but those places may not want to have to see it. It's all in the eye of the reader, not the advertisers themselves.

I've been looking for articles on this actually, and another site (linked with this one, but link omitted) is very useful.
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