Angry .Orgers

[Boofo]

Apparently you haven't read the whole thread. There are more people NOT wanting this than do. That should speak for itself.

As far as my so called "abrasiveness" goes, I was, and am, no more abrasive than the post I was quoting.

[MPDev]

Actually, I have read the whole thread and I wasn't aware that there was a poll in place. Does it require a majority to make it useful? If even a minority find it benefitial, is it still considered a benefit?

I didn't start this thread and my only point is that being the "ultimate" resources for vBulletin shouldn't necessarily stop at something being "free". I release free products as well as develop paid-addons, are either development efforts less worthy than the other?

[soniceffect]

I very much agree with the above .... .org should be as I always has been, a place for people to share there work not to sell there work. I`m not saying people shouldn`t be able to charge for there work, in fact I agree that they should be able to. I just don`t think that .org is the place to do this.

I use this site to download the hacks I need for my site, and to learn from then in the hope that one day I will be able to put back into the vbulletin community that in which I have learnt. Personally I have pretty much the same opinion as above, I would go elsewhere as advertised/paid hacks are not what I came here for.

[Regs]

IMHO, Jelsoft may need to step in and perhaps install some new staff members that are more open to progressive ideas.

Some members of the current crew are getting a little stale in their thought processes.

There is a market for professional addons, full-stop. Nurture it and the quality of offerings will improve. That's not to say the FOC isn't quality but I and others would like more choice. Under the current system, this just isn't possible.

(1) nobody owes anyone anything here. To imply that coders learn everything there is to know about coding here is far-fetched, especially with the recently released API docs from Jelsoft.

(2) there are over 100,000 members here and Boofo wants to imply that the majority are fully against allowing commercial interests. Umm, OK.

(3) I am agreeing with MPDev here so you must know how wrong your position must be! (Hi MP, good luck with the new kid - we had a boy on the 1st )

Cheers,

~Regs.

[noppid]

If a product sucks, this forum will be overwhelmed with BS complaints.

If a coder sucks, this forum will be overwhelmed with BS complaints.

If a coder discontinues or disappears, this forum will be overwhelmed with BS complaints.

If money is ripped, this forum will be overwhelmed with BS complaints.

There are alot of avenues to get your work advertised. This place has enough politics. With free, you get what you paid for and know the rules.

I'd love free advertising for my work and there are plenty of ways to get it. My success does not hinge on forcing a rule change here which will cause more work for volunteers. That's not how buisness works. If your's does, you're already failing.

[davidw]

Originally Posted by Regs

(2) there are over 100,000 members here and Boofo wants to imply that the majority are fully against allowing commercial interests. Umm, OK.

I think I speak for a majority of members when I say that if we were made of money, we might think differently.
Let me clarify - If we had the money, we would be more inclined to want to purchase commercial hacks.

[MPDev]

Given that the "majority" of people here (read 100%) purchased vBulletin, I sincerely doubt you can make the case that nobody has any money to buy anything else. I suspect if that were true, they would have elected to use a "free" forum to begin with. So let's not play the "can't afford it, so it doesn't belong" card again, it doesn't hold any water here.

[KW802]

Originally Posted by christianb

I think I speak for a majority of members when I say that if we were made of money, we might think differently.
Let me clarify - If we had the money, we would be more inclined to want to purchase commercial hacks.

So far the "majority" hasn't spoken (since there is no poll) and nobody has been elected to speak for them.

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by MPDev

Given that the "majority" of people here (read 100%) purchased vBulletin, I sincerely doubt you can make the case that nobody has any money to buy anything else. I suspect if that were true, they would have elected to use a "free" forum to begin with. So let's not play the "can't afford it, so it doesn't belong" card again, it doesn't hold any water here.

Actually not all 100% of users here are licenced

Chris

[davidw]

Originally Posted by MPDev

Given that the "majority" of people here (read 100%) purchased vBulletin, I sincerely doubt you can make the case that nobody has any money to buy anything else. I suspect if that were true, they would have elected to use a "free" forum to begin with. So let's not play the "can't afford it, so it doesn't belong" card again, it doesn't hold any water here.

Excuse me for being offended that I for one can't afford your $$ hacks. It took 12 months for me to afford vBulletin... so what makes you "coders for dollars" think that people like me are made of money? Just because you can afford it doesn"t mean you should have a holier-than-thou attitude towards those who cannot. You have no right to judge me and for the sake of arguement I used a free forum to begin with - that is until I could afford to purchase vbulletin.

Originally Posted by KW802

So far the "majority" hasn't spoken (since there is no poll) and nobody has been elected to speak for them.

I will agree to that.

And one last thing...

Last year, I made $2,800 before taxes (yes - less than $3k) for the entire year.
This year, I'm lucky to have made (before taxes) $8,300 with one month left. I live on food stamps and work my butt off at $7.50/hour to put food and clothing on my family of 4. My two children (one just born less than 2 months ago) are on WIC. I am not rich, nor am I well off, as some people might assume.

I saved up for what I have now. With the help of some friends, I'd say we're doing pretty good.

That's all I have to say. Just think about that the next time you assume that because we paid for vbulletin, we can afford to pay for hacks as well.

'nuff said

* christianb unsubscribes from this thread.