screwed over again by a vbulletin.org member?

[jdmuniverse]

I would think that this forum would WANT scammers to be known so, they do not get away with this in the future. If they are protected by not allowing the scammed person to name them and let everyone else on this board know who they are, what exactly is stopping them from doing this to everyone?

I would also think that most people on this board are sensible and if there is a story to be told, the accused scammer could tell his side and let us determine for ourselves who we would believe.

By not knowing who this person is, it basically gives him a free pass to do it to anyone.

Just my .02

[insanctus]

I agree those who scam should be known.

To many can take advantage and it is good if people know who may be "questionable"

This goes for buyers and sellers.

[Talisman]

This turned out to be an interesting discussion. You know, if you guys really want to post public complaints about people when one person (allegedly) rips off another person here ...... then the only truly fair way to do this would be to set up an open forum where every step of every transaction is made public...... and I mean EVERY STEP.

You'd have to have a section where the new folks can post their requests for help..... along with all details about the job, what they're willing to pay, the time-frame they think is reasonable, and so on. Then, the experts who want to bid on these jobs would also publicly post their terms, pricing, availability, experience, references, and whatever else is required.

Then the selection process and all the details agreed upon by those involved would be clearly documented here for everyone to see. All communication between the two would also have to be posted here..... and the edit and delete function should be disabled, so no one can revise what they said.

THEN...... when some deal goes sour in one of these cases, we can all see who's right and who's wrong. (Though I'm willing to bet we'll still all disagree over who's being more fair or less fair than the other.) But at least this way we would have some objective basis for debating the matter..... since that seems to be so important to so many people.

One drawback I can see is this would add a lot to the workload for our moderating staff..... and I'm not so sure they really want to take on such a role. (Personally, I think they have more important things they could be doing.... and this could degrade into a messy situation where the staff ends up babysitting people who should take care of their own business.) But it could still be done and maybe they'd want expand the site and features to allow it.

Personally, I still don't think we (collectively) need to do this here. I don't believe these things belong here and it really goes against the whole purpose for having this site. In my view, this forum is here to promote an open exchange of technical advice/expertise between fellow users who are willing to share what they know. And the moment you start transacting business between users here, it goes against the purpose of having these forums.

But I don't like seeing hacks being sold to others, here, either. So this is the view I take.

[Erwin]

Interesting topic - I will discuss this issue with the rest of staff etc. regarding releasing the person's name.

[Tony G]

Today at 03:54 AM Anime-loo said this in Post #18
I propose a sticky thread in the service request forum that would list "recomended" hackers and what work they are instreted in doing.

I know it would take some time to put togther and keep updated, but I do think it would keep things like this from happing.

Recomended services as well as people offering their services on vB.org, that would work good.

But that's not how it goes most of the time. There really are two equally-valid-sounding sides to a story. One person complains that the guy he hired didn't do the work...... then that person complains that the guy who hired him wanted 320 hours worth of work for 4 hours worth of pay. Or he didn't know enough about the technical side of the job in the first place to explain what he wanted up front, etc...

I definently agree with you, after reading the rest of this thread I think we are missing out on several key parts into why this person did not do this work. No way it could be this straight-forward. Must have been other complications, at least. But not that it should be my business. Like you said, it's a private matter between them but possibly it's a bigger matter if people fall in this supposed trap with this vBhacker.

[insanctus]

I ended up doing this job for roester and I am betting the other guy seen the host (shell hosting) and did not know what to do.

So the person simply just ran out on the job.

This should go to show those who wish to do vb work for others should ask all the info. So they know if they are able to do what is needed.

Myself I had never seen shell hosting before but I got it all fixed up with in the day so roester site was up.

[N!ck]

All I can say is, be darn sure that you're being 100% fair, roester. Otherwise I think this falls under the category of "defamation of character".

[filburt1]

This thread is relevant: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthrea...threadid=55180

Hehe, gotcha

[Talisman]

Hey, no fair, Nibbler. I got a non-permission screen, but it shows me logged in.

What a fink!

[Alien]

I definatly agree that we should have an area with reputable names here, and what duties they are willing to perform etc.

While many people like to pretend some things don't occur, I have first hand knowledge that several people in the business of hacking and/or designing can disappear for quite lengthy amounts of time, with flimsy or NO excuses whatsoever.. I have many logs and e-mails with such people going through personal problems that take on jobs when they have no business doing so. What a novel I could write.

So I think we need some reputable lists of people that are well known for getting the jobs done, in reasonable amounts of time etc.

-Jason