Fair play and Business

[Disco_Dave]

Originally Posted by LLent

Not sure where all this is headed now you are talking from a coder's perspective instead of a user's ... I may not like the way the copyright mod redirects but that is my choice not to put it in i have voiced my opinion to dragonbyte and they gave me an ans which is fine by me but at least i have a choice ...

Dragonbyte listened to there customers and gave them a option to the branding free which is quite expensive .. so for a free mod one of many for them which you as a coder should understand takes free time away from their normal lives i dont see how they are doing anything illegal as was said and again like i did i chose not to install it and you can too ...

i also have other choices here most coders here not all choose to mark their mods as un-supported but in reality they are as i have recently learned because they dont want end users asking them every five min or half hour ect if they can fix this or that due to there time management they want time to ans that i guess ... well its my choice not to install the mods that are marked as such

so when you get down to it your poll serves no purpose it is one sided at the end of the day you are going to go your way and dragonbye is going to go theirs cause as was said the coders that post including you can do as they want in there own thread ...imo i wouldnt think you would want other coders to enter your support thread and tell you what they thought of your mod and disrupt the supporting of the member base i for one want to thank all the coders for giving up their time and giving us free mods so we can better our forums...i might not agree on things that happen here but choices is what we all have thats what makes this community a great place to be apart of

i hope we can put this thread to bed and get on to what is important ...

Great post!

[Christos Teriakis]

Originally Posted by LLent

i hope we can put this thread to bed and get on to what is important ...

For me is important. If its not important for you, feel free to continue to the next thread. I don't think that I sent a policeman to bring you with handcuffs. There are 100's threads on this site, very important for the posters, but unimportant for me. Never remember myself to had participate to those threads asking them to send'em in the bed, just because were not important for me.

And because they talked for free time that I spent. Yes, they spent. But they're spending free times max 3 years ago. I'm spending my free time since October 2006 when I released my first mod. And believe me (in total) I have released more than them.

As for the given support. It's true that the old days I was loosing my patience very often and I was droping my mods to Graveyard. But last 3 years none mod left behind unsupported. Only for special reasons (eg if I gave it to someone else) I was stopping. But even in these cases, if you try to give a look at the threads of my old microSUPPORT and microCART you'll see that I gave support more often than the new author.

So as a final line. Goto my current mods and chekc the average responce time. In normal hours (08:00am-22:00pm GMT+3) the average response time is less than 1 hour. Everyday including weekends and holidays. Also try to count how many updates with new features I released in just one month. Never heart that other coders are doing it. They release a version and then everything new, any new user request is marked as "PRO version". Go and check it. I'm not saying anything... you'll read what the users are saying there.

[DragonByte Tech]

Originally Posted by Christos Teriakis

They release a version and then everything new, any new user request is marked as "PRO version". Go and check it. I'm not saying anything... you'll read what the users are saying there.

Just to clarify, in the case of DBTech, every significant update we release has at least a 60/40 Lite/Pro split in features.

How you or other coders choose to do things when you release PRO mods is another matter of course

Iain

[nhawk]

I was one of the first to vote in the poll, but debated on adding a reply until now.

I can only describe the way I'm doing the copyrights, I can't influence how other people do them..

Most copyrights are displayed only on pages produced by the add-on/mod.

Exceptions to that would be if a standard vB page has been heavily modified to display content that wouldn't normally be displayed (IE: the modifcation system). Then the copyright would also be displayed on forumdisplay and showthread pages.

I do not display a copyright if all a mod does is add information to the 'What's Going On' portion of the main page (IE: Style Statistics or Forum Home Statistics).

Neither do I display a copyright if on the surface there are only minor differences between a standard vB page and the same page with my mod (IE: Thread Status System).

So I guess it boils down to what the mod does. If it's relatively minor, there's no copyright. If it adds major pages or changes pages in a major way, then there is a copyright on those pages.

[Christos Teriakis]

Originally Posted by DragonByte Tech

Just to clarify, in the case of DBTech, every significant update we release has at least a 60/40 Lite/Pro split in features.

How you or other coders choose to do things when you release PRO mods is another matter of course

Iain

You're centuries ago. First of all I never released LITE/PRO in the meaning having the PRO version ready, then cutting some features to release the LITE.

For 100% of more than 50 mods that I released in total since Oct 2006, the original release had 100% of the features. Then, in case that a mod was popular I started added features to release a PRO version. But never...never... never on the date of the initial release was a PRO version ready. Only once happens, but it was a case that I re-released a mod.

90% of the user requests for adding new features were always accepted and included in the "LITE" version. For example go and check the first 20-30 pages of microCART. You'll find around 50 request of adding new features. Same for microCLASSIFIEDS. And all of them have included for free.

In now days. Check SL Classifieds, SL Reviews and SL Auctions. There is no PRO version. Only for Classifieds there is a greatful version to those who have paid for copyright removal. But these additions are not important. All the important features are including by default. So NO Lite versions. Being there, especially in Classifieds count the requests for new features. ALL have been included. In less than a month a released more than 15+ versions with NEW features.

So, don't compare me with others. There is NONE other coder having released so many updates for his mod. My life's biggest problem (my real life including), is that I can't say No when someone asks me a favor. That's was my catastrophy. Believe me or not if someone asks me 10 Euros and I have only 5 Euros in my pocket, I'll give him the 5 Euros and I'll look to borrow another 5 Euros so I can give him 10 Euros as he asked for. You think that it's a lie? I wished to be. But unfortunatelly this is the was that I was always acting in my life.

There are dozens users here who can read this post (exact this one), who know very well that when they sent me PMs saying "I need this mod but I don't have money to buy it", I was sending it for free no second thought. But even if there was no money issue, anytime that someone asked any of my mod, I was always giving it for free. I'm not money oriented person my dear. I was never been, and I'll never be in the future. I count to moral values and not to money. Only the fact that I never tried to sell my old work can prove it. The only that I was trying to find is to give them to someone who can continue upgrading them. Latelly I gave 15+ mods to someone else. Didn't asked a single cent.

After all hope that you got my meaning. This thread is not a money issue. Actually I don't care so much for copyrights, that's why in my mod's settings I've a switch to turn it off.

[kh99]

edit: never mind, I've changed my mind and decided to stay out of it.

[Christos Teriakis]

Originally Posted by kh99

Then I don't understand the point of this thread. If you don't care about copyrights, then I guess you're just trying to get people to condemn what DragonByte Tech has done? Why? It sounds like maybe you are bitter because they have managed to create a successful business selling mods.

No.... First of all. I'm not against DragonByte as company or as a team of coders. I'm against the specific mod only. I don't count as fair (first priority) or as logic (second priority) to display a global copyright message (with so general meaning) in pages that have nothing to do with any of his product. Once more I'll say. Why a page powered by my Classifieds mod, which only uses the vB usergroup permissions and vB phrases, can have their copyright?

[kh99]

OK, yes, I understand that you don't like the way that mod works.

[kh99]

...but I guess I got confused because we're discussing who's been here longer, who has released more mods, pro vs. lite versions, who provides better support, etc, and I don't see how any of that has anything to do with the copyright mod.

[Christos Teriakis]

Originally Posted by kh99

OK, yes, I understand that you don't like the way that mod works.

Thank you. At least someone understand that I'm not spending my time writing so much to money, or to offend anybody. Actually the fact that I'm writing so much again and again can prove how much preasure I got inside from this issue, and trying to explose it by writting otherwise I'll get for sure a head strike.

I know that many readers, even if they share my thoughts, can't understand why I'm giving so much attention. I know it. Everything is about different culture without to say that my culture is the right one. But I grewup with these moral values and is difficult to change the way that I'm thinking/acting on my 57 of my age.

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Originally Posted by kh99

...but I guess I got confused because we're discussing who's been here longer, who has released more mods, pro vs. lite versions, who provides better support, etc, and I don't see how any of that has anything to do with the copyright mod.

I just replied to Iain on what other coders (included me) did about LITE/PRO versions. Somehow it was out off topic but as long as he asked it, I didn't like to appear that I ignored him.