Ha Ha, Only in the UK :-)

[Tim Skellett]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

..... in the united kingdom there's a different picture being painted with killers serving two years, paedophiles getting let off after raping 2 year old girls, all because of the human rights act

This is untrue. Got any evidence at all for blaming the Human Rights Act in these cases?

I know I said it would be my last comment but people who sit on the fence i find to be cowards at the best times.

This comment is completely unfair to Marco, and utterly wrong.

And I speak as someone who has personal friends in the British police forces, and I speak as someone who has been knifed, and still has the scars to prove it.

Abusing Marco like this is completely unwarrented.

[Shelley_c]

Tim, A friend i grew up with as a child was killed from knife crime defending someone else by jumping in the way and being stabbed in the heart and being threatened myself I think I have a good insight what knife crime is about.

The guy served two years because he told the judge he was bulled as a kid and this got him a lighter sentence. The guy actually ran home to get the knife to come back which he did so instead of serving the mx sentence he got man slaughter. So, tim, yet again with your multi-quote I'd say I have a pretty good insight on what I'm actually talking about and how the shitty justice system is in the uk.

edit: I'm speaking of using the humans right act in general by criminals. And, I still stand by my comment. People that sit on the fence are down right cowards that know nothing and/or experienced nothing.

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Tim Skellett

Since the offender you mentioned in your OP is a True-Blue Native Brit, and no immigrant, what exactly do immigrants have to do with this?

Its The 2nd Day of the Ha Ha, Only in the UK Thread, where i add something new every day

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Originally Posted by Tim Skellett

Abusing Marco like this is completely unwarrented.

No one is Abusing Marco, Tim, Its a good debate that effects quite a lot of english people, Where about in the UK are you from??

[Tim Skellett]

Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive

... No one is Abusing Marco, Tim,

I suggest you re-read Shelley C's post. It was obvious.

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Originally Posted by Shelley_c

Tim, A friend i grew up with as a child was killed from knife crime defending someone else by jumping in the way and being stabbed in the heart and being threatened myself I think I have a good insight what knife crime is about.

I am sorry to hear of your friend, but no-one is debating your insight into knife crime, andut your comments about Marco were utterly unfair.

I'm speaking of using the humans right act in general by criminals. And, I still stand by my comment. People that sit on the fence are down right cowards that know nothing and/or experienced nothing.

You still haven't shown at all how the Human Rights Act is to blame.

And since I have experienced quite a deal, and as said, quite literally I have the scars to prove it, perhaps you will listen to my objections here.

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Tim Skellett

Unless you are prepared to pay higher taxes for better all-round policing and courts, all this is empty.

The UK Taxpayer is Paying more in Taxes now than at any other time, since the Labour Government have got into Power, I'm all for keeping the money in the UK and fixing whats wrong here, but we seem to pump millons giving money away, like theres no tommorrow (See my second story!)

Prisons can be built, its not a lack of money, The Government simply chose not to

[Paul M]

Stick to the topic please, not discussion about each other, or this will be closed.

Edit: This is not directed at the post above, which appeared while I was posting, but rather at the previous few posts.

[Tim Skellett]

Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive

The UK Taxpayer is Paying more in Taxes now than at any other time, since the Labour Government have got into Power,

But not because of the Labour govt, but because some very pushy financial types managed to cause a credit-crunch conflagration, and the govt had to pour money in to save the entire economy.

Those pushers of "financial instruments" and subprime mortgage sales have caused far more damage to you and me than young street thugs ever will.

Prisons can be built, its not a lack of money, The Government simply chose not to

No. The government just does not have the money at this time. They are going to have to make savage cuts in all public services, no matter who the govt is after the next election. The UK is in for around eight extremely tough financial years. Moody may well downgrade the credit rating of Britain as a nation. It's not a fun time.

[Shelley_c]

If marco thinks I'm abusing him then he knows where the ban button is. And, I'm sure he will be happy to use it if he thinks this.

The evidence is all around you. Newspapers. Sentences that passed. Criminals using the humans right act to get a lighter sentence I won't wade through links for you you can do your own homework and if by the offchance you never found the cases where criminals used the humans right act to their own benefit then you haven't looked hard enough.

Are you from the UK Tim out of curiosity (born here).

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Tim Skellett

You still haven't shown at all how the Human Rights Act is to blame.

Here you go.........

Human Rights Act has 'helped rapists and murderers escape justice' for 10 years, says top detective

One of the country's top detectives yesterday launched a withering attack on the Human Rights Act and claimed it had helped murderers and rapists to escape justice.

Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Gregg said since its introduction in 1998 hardened criminals had effectively used the legislation to hide from the law.
He described its abuse as "callous, heartless and deeply offensive" and called for new measures to prevent it from continuing.

"As a police officer one of the most frustrating things is when killers, who have shown not one ounce of compassion for their fellow human beings, start trying to have the shield of human rights drawn around them,"

he said.

"For hardened criminals to try to use this legislation as protection causes terrible offence to the families of victims who have suffered appalling and cruel deaths at the hands of those who are quick to talk about human rights but were so swift to take away the human rights of others.

"We have got the balance wrong and the legislation needs modifying to remove the loopholes that presently exist. We have got to get some perspective and balance into it. We seem to have forgotten the victims.
"It is callous, heartless and deeply offensive."

Last month, fanatical cleric Abu Qatada, one of the world's most dangerous terror suspects, successfully fought extradition to Jordan where he is wanted on suspicion of plotting terrorist atrocities after his lawyers relied on the Human Rights Act.

The Appeal Court said that even though the Home Office had an agreement Qatada himself would not be harmed some of the evidence used against him may have been obtained by torture.

Qatada, described as Osama bin Laden's ambassador in Europe, has since been granted bail in the UK under a 22-hour curfew expected to cost the taxpayer ?500,000 a year.

Det Chief Supt Gregg, outgoing head of West Yorkshire Police's Homicide and Major Enquiry Team, spoke out on the eve of his retirement and said it was time the law was changed in favour of the victims.

His comments were last night welcomed by politicians and fellow police officers.
Tom McGhie, chairman of the West Yorkshire Police Federation, said:

"It seems we are more concerned with the rights of the minority. What is more important - the rights of the law-abiding majority or the rights of murderers?"

Conservative MP Philip Davies, for Shipley, West Yorkshire, has called for human rights legislation to be scrapped.

He said:

"Human rights legislation is fatally and fundamentally flawed and means police officers who are trying to keep the streets safe are doing so with one or two hands tied behind their back."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0MZyljoUe

[Shelley_c]

The sooner it's scrapped the better. Because, legitimate hard-working honest people have never needed to use it (though there might be a few cases) it's mainly there for criminals, used by criminals, helping criminals.

What do you think tim? Is the humans right act mainly benefiting the criminals rather than the law abiding CITIZENS of the UNITED KINGDOM or do you think it helps everyone as a whole?