Sex-Ed in school?

[smacklan]

While your argument for your position is painted very pretty Wayne, you are advocating that parents turn over their responsibilities in this area to the state as the state is better at teaching kids than parents. Typical liberal response and dead wrong, imho. I would also argue with your stats to support your position as being skewed...let's look at this issue from a milestone that gives the proper perspective:

Since the Supreme Court banned school prayer in 1963:

• the murder rate tripled;
• Violent crime went up 544%;
• Prior to 1963, divorce had been declining for 15 consecutive years. After 1963, the divorce rate more than doubled;
• unwed birth rates 10-14 years of age shot up 553% by 1983;
• Sexually transmitted disease rates (15-19 years of age range) shot up 226% by 1975;
• the percent of children living in fatherless households increased from 6% to 40%.

Succumbing to "the easy way out, ie; the government knows what's best" is the laziest and most detrimental thing anyone could ever do regardless of what subject we are talking about.

[GSeybold]

Regardless of any statistic, allowing our children to be tought sex in the classroom amounts to yet even more issues of personal responsibility on the parents part. It's neither the public nor the taxpayers responsibility to make sure YOUR child does not get an STD or pregnant, it is and has always been the parent's ultimate responsibilty. Does parental responsibilty even exist anymore? Good grief. It's always someone elses fault and/or respsonsibilty these days. If my daughter got pregnant as a teen, it would have been her doing and I would have been disappointed in her and myself, as it should be. Let's face it, kids are going to have sex, it makes them feel mature and it's pleasurable, but wouldn't you rather know that if your child is going to do this that they don't learn the facts from a perfect stranger and often times skewed by this stranger's personal opinions?... religion, morality and so forth.

What I did with my daughter was tell her the truth. It's fun but you can die or get pregnant if you're not careful. End of story.

Gabby

P.S. I teased in a not so teasing way only a parent can do and always tell my daughter, " I'm locked and loaded should a boy try." LOL

sorry, but statistics worth nothing... 500% growing rate would mean that if there was 10 victims, there is now 50... the rate is enormous, but the population grown as much in the same time, so it worth nothing...

rates means nothing also when your little population is not part of the statistics... if 5% of the population own 75% of all the statistic elements, any governmental study goes to the trash.

the impact in the life of your child is way more important than what the government think... while you try to teach your kids, do you seriously check the stats to see if your words will mean something in the brain of your kid?!... nope...

@Gabby, you are right... you are the one to teach the right or wrong to your kids... the school is to teach what are the elements, and the parents teach the values of things... that's how it have to work... learning sex matters at school only have to be for the elements... how it is made, what are the consequences. the parent have to take that same opportunity to give their kids the values of such learnings...

[Wayne Luke]

Originally Posted by smacklan

While your argument for your position is painted very pretty Wayne, you are advocating that parents turn over their responsibilities in this area to the state as the state is better at teaching kids than parents. Typical liberal response and dead wrong, imho. I would also argue with your stats to support your position as being skewed...let's look at this issue from a milestone that gives the proper perspective:

Since the Supreme Court banned school prayer in 1963:

• the murder rate tripled;
• Violent crime went up 544%;
• Prior to 1963, divorce had been declining for 15 consecutive years. After 1963, the divorce rate more than doubled;
• unwed birth rates 10-14 years of age shot up 553% by 1983;
• Sexually transmitted disease rates (15-19 years of age range) shot up 226% by 1975;
• the percent of children living in fatherless households increased from 6% to 40%.

Succumbing to "the easy way out, ie; the government knows what's best" is the laziest and most detrimental thing anyone could ever do regardless of what subject we are talking about.

Actually I am not advocating anything. I am stating that the majority of parents fail to teach their children about sex and someone has to. If you're a parent and able to step up then good for you. If you can't teach them what they need to know then get the hell out of the way and let someone else do it. Doesn't matter if its sex, drugs, religion, morals, math or history. The only job you have as a parent is to keep your children safe and in today's world this includes a proper education on all counts.

Really can't put it any plainer than that. And I already admitted that statistics can be skewed to any view.. What is the source of your's so I can see the actual numbers to put your summary into perspective?

[GSeybold]

Yes I understand what you saying Wayne but it's not the government's (schools) responsibility to teach anything but reading, writing and math..... not morals. While the statistics often site inter city urban areas, actually there are just as high pregnany and STD rates among higher educated, wealthy areas in which parental responsibilty is often quite involved, surprisingly these areas are often in liberal parts of the country. How does one explain these rates?

Institutionalizing morals never works.

IMO, nowadays, I'm not sure kids need to be tought by anyone, they just seem to know by watching TV, Movies, playing videos ect. It's everywhere now. :erm:

Gabby

[Wayne Luke]

I agree that morals shouldn't be taught in school but if parents aren't doing it then where do you propose that children learn these things? I personally believe that I am responsible for my children's moral actions through my own and it is my responsibility to teach them how to act appropriately. This includes sexual interaction with others. Trust me the school isn't teaching my children anything in this regard because they already know it.

Most children do not get this education at home and I want the people interacting with my children to know at least the basics. I am not going to be able to teach it to someone else's children. So I ask again where are they going to learn it at?

Does watching television teach children how to act in different situations? Does it teach them how to protect themselves? Television can be used to augment education but cannot replace it. An after school special does not have any meaning unless there is discourse to back up the message. If you disagree with them watching it on television then why let them? My daughter leaves the room if there is any scene on television beyond kissing. I don't make her leave. She leaves on her own because she knows she isn't ready for that and she doesn't want to deal with it. Why? Because she knows what sex is and the problems it brings. And this is shows like Degrassi Jr. High. My wife and I do not watch our television shows in front of the children. We wait until they go to bed. Just because its in society doesn't mean we can ignore our responsibility to our children.

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

My wife and I do not watch our television shows in front of the children. We wait until they go to bed. Just because its in society doesn't mean we can ignore our responsibility to our children.

you get my vote here...

... one day my wife will understand.. lol

[GSeybold]

So just what shows do you and your wife watch that the children can't. LOL Just kidding ya

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

My wife and I do not watch our television shows in front of the children. We wait until they go to bed. Just because its in society doesn't mean we can ignore our responsibility to our children.

[Wayne Luke]

Originally Posted by GSeybold

So just what shows do you and your wife watch that the children can't. LOL Just kidding ya

Criminal Minds, CSI, Grey's Anatomy, Private Practice, The Tudors, Big Love and a few others. They could watch CSI.. Nothing really bad in that show but they aren't interested. Criminal Minds deals to much with the psyche of serial killers though. The television is also set to block anything with a rating above PG-13 or TV-14 without a password. Unfortunately, this blocks some older movies as well. My stepson had to have me unlock the television so he could watch a Cary Grant movie the other day.

My kids would much rather watch Hannah Montana (don't tell their friends) and Wizards of Waverly Place than the shows above though. They also like Stargate, Dirty Jobs, Mythbusters, Sanctuary and Knight Rider.

[smacklan]

Sorry if I misunderstood you Wayne. I just think relying on the government for much of anything is a slippery slope, especially public schools...they can't even do what they're supposed to do very well, let alone do the jobs of parents.