Public discussions of staff decisions are not permitted on the site.

[hambil]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Actually, you agreed with it when you joined.


Almost every forum I know has such a rule - (i.e. Staff decisions are final, no public discussion of them will be entered into).


Equally, there are many laws I don's agree with, but I still have to abide by them or face the consequences - this is just the same.

Just the same, if you add in being forbidden to discuss the law, or have a public trial, or a public appeal, or get a vote on the law or the law makers in the first place. I guess it depends on where you are from. I'm sure vBulletin.org has at least some members from third world dictatorships...

the only way you can control that the members agree to written rules on a site like this one, is when you rewrite them, you have to reset everybody's agreement and force them to agree again to the new rules... -- if i remember right, someone wrote a code for that kind of process long time ago...

if you do not force people to agree to NEW rules, you can't tell we agreed to them...

[stinger2]

Originally Posted by nexialys

the only way you can control that the members agree to written rules on a site like this one, is when you rewrite them, you have to reset everybody's agreement and force them to agree again to the new rules... -- if i remember right, someone wrote a code for that kind of process long time ago...

if you do not force people to agree to NEW rules, you can't tell we agreed to them...

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=122998



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[Chris M]

Originally Posted by Dream

I don't agree with this rule. And this is feedback about the site.

I don't understand why this rule is in place, if not only to hide bad staff decisions.

A transparent community is always the best. Not authoritative ones. If you think that leads to anarchy, you are dead wrong.

From past experience both as a user and as a staff member on this site, allowing discussions about decisions made by staff members only leads to trouble...

Originally Posted by nexialys

the only way you can control that the members agree to written rules on a site like this one, is when you rewrite them, you have to reset everybody's agreement and force them to agree again to the new rules... -- if i remember right, someone wrote a code for that kind of process long time ago...

if you do not force people to agree to NEW rules, you can't tell we agreed to them...

What Paul M posted up is entirely accurate - If the welcoming rules stipulate that vB.org reserves the right to modify the rules, then it is your responsibility as a user to monitor and review the rules to ensure that you are following them...

Chris

[cyberphr]

Originally Posted by nexialys

the only way you can control that the members agree to written rules on a site like this one, is when you rewrite them, you have to reset everybody's agreement and force them to agree again to the new rules... -- if i remember right, someone wrote a code for that kind of process long time ago...

if you do not force people to agree to NEW rules, you can't tell we agreed to them...

Wrong. By registering, you agree to the rules. If you do not agree, you do not register.

For example; If someone were to sue a forum for a ban they see as unfair, it would be rather easy for the forum to counter-sue for the waste of time and obviousness the user did not read the rules.

[hambil]

Originally Posted by Chris M

What Paul M posted up is entirely accurate - If the welcoming rules stipulate that vB.org reserves the right to modify the rules, then it is your responsibility as a user to monitor and review the rules to ensure that you are following them...

This is not an issue or right or wrong, or responsibility. It's a common sense issue of polite conduct. If a rule change takes place (which it did) that effects members on the board (in this case coders) common sense says everyone benefits from making that rule change as visible as possible.

[kall]

On the subject of 'rules', many of the rules that used to be in plain english and plain sight were removed when the site was 'upgraded' to the current style, and were replaced by the blanket 'All staff decisions are final' one.

Personally, I preferred to know when I was straying. To cop a ban/infraction/demotion () because you thought you were following an old rule is pretty sad.