Staff Members: Election by Senior Members and Above

[Gio~Logist]

Originally Posted by Boofo

First of all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Second, it takes more than designing or coding ability to make a good Mod. I am a testimony to that, if you really think about it.

Good point. But any coder (regardless of level) should be able to determine whether or not one can code as a matter of relating. Then again, perhaps that's just my opinion as a coder.

[Gio~Logist]

Originally Posted by Dan

But Gio you've already started the debate when you mentioned the master coder title.

That was a simple joke Dan. If anyone took it offensive, sorry

[Gio~Logist]

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

The staff here will take this idea into consideration when the environment on this site is a little more stabilized. It would do more harm than good to implement this at this time and to roll back staff changes just as everyone is getting up to speed with their new assignments. Such governance by committee would add weeks, if not months, to the planned changes.

Stabilized meaning less debate or more organized? Also, no need to take out all of the staff now. How about just doing it for future staff? Someone nominates someone, the person who's nominated can give a speech as to why he or she will be good for the job? In the end, the staff effects the community more than other staff members, does it not? Also, thanks for the consideration It is appreciated.

[hambil]

Originally Posted by Zachery

Anthony, what makes you totally quailfied to make judgements on other peoples skills? Are you some master coder who knows 10 coding languages and has several degrees and 8+ years of expeicing in not only school but real world work?

I am!

Not that it matters, I just felt a burning need to say that. It would have been more funny if the question had actually been posed to me.

[Zachery]

I did over simplify things, apologies. Titles do mean something, you did have to work hard or long to create most hacks that will be useful and popular to the general majority. And one hack wouldn't get you master coder regardless .

My point was what qualifications do most people have to really judge others work? I know from personal experience that everyone on the designers team is very good at what they do. I know Brad, KA, and Andy are very well skilled, and I'm very sure Brad would not have put an amateur into a team lead position. I've seen that Princeton is a fairly well accomplished designer. Since design of HTML/css is my area thats the only one I'll comment on. But please keep in mind that we wouldn't have brought anyone onto the team if we didn't think they could do the work. Everyone improves if you give them time. We all had to start somewhere.

[akanevsky]

Anthony, what makes you totally quailfied to make judgements on other peoples skills? Are you some master coder who knows 10 coding languages and has several degrees and 8+ years of expeicing in not only school but real world work?

I could have Master coder by releasing some insanely popular two line hack as well if It got 2000 installs.

Although I may not know 10 coding languages, I know those languages which comprise vBulletin, namely PHP, XML, XHTML and Javascript better than certain other individuals who were picked, and my age and/or level of education has nothing to do with it. Also, none of my popular hacks are comprised of two lines of code, most of them actually contain 100s. I never say anything unless I'm 100% sure about it, and that applies to this thread too.

That, however, has nothing to do with my first post: let me point out for the third time that I am only asking for other members' opinon, and I am not claiming that anything should be done just becase I want it. I could have claimed that I am a master coder when I joined this site, but I chose to not hide who I am. There is no reason why you should be attacking me in person for that, esspecially since you seem to become so nervous when YOU (admins / moderators) are personally attacked. I am hoping that you'll undestand without me having to quote Wayne's post for you.

And most members here, who are also Admins of their own sites as well as others, wouldn't do it that way either, if they were to be totally honest.

Maybe it would be more correct to say that admins would not do that because they are not totally honest.

EDIT:
Hmm, more posts since I wrote this.

The staff here will take this idea into consideration when the environment on this site is a little more stabilized. It would do more harm than good to implement this at this time and to roll back staff changes just as everyone is getting up to speed with their new assignments. Such governance by committee would add weeks, if not months, to the planned changes.

Thank you for the post. That is the kind of reply I wanted to hear from a staff member.

[Gio~Logist]

Originally Posted by Zachery

I did over simplify things, apologies. Titles do mean something, you did have to work hard or long to create most hacks that will be useful and popular to the general majority. And one hack wouldn't get you master coder regardless .

My point was what qualifications do most people have to really judge others work? I know from personal experience that everyone on the designers team is very good at what they do. I know Brad, KA, and Andy are very well skilled, and I'm very sure Brad would not have put an amateur into a team lead position. I've seen that Princeton is a fairly well accomplished designer. Since design of HTML/css is my area thats the only one I'll comment on. But please keep in mind that we wouldn't have brought anyone onto the team if we didn't think they could do the work. Everyone improves if you give them time. We all had to start somewhere.

Thank you for understanding Zach Also, it is true that everyone starts somewhere, but is the staff a good place to start really?

[hambil]

Originally Posted by Psionic Vision

That, however, has nothing to do with my first post: let me point out for the third time that I am only asking for other members' opinon,

Okay. Then I'll give you mine.

Teams are not made of all stars. Look at sports for an example. A coding team is similar. You need a star, maybe two, and then a bunch of supporting players. Too many stars will only clash with each other.

A typical rl coding team consists of one Senior Developer, or Technical Lead, two to three mid level developers, and one jr. developer.

And, as important as skill is, ability to work together and enjoy each others company is just as important.

[akanevsky]

Originally Posted by Zachery

I did over simplify things, apologies. Titles do mean something, you did have to work hard or long to create most hacks that will be useful and popular to the general majority. And one hack wouldn't get you master coder regardless .

My point was what qualifications do most people have to really judge others work? I know from personal experience that everyone on the designers team is very good at what they do. I know Brad, KA, and Andy are very well skilled, and I'm very sure Brad would not have put an amateur into a team lead position. I've seen that Princeton is a fairly well accomplished designer. Since design of HTML/css is my area thats the only one I'll comment on. But please keep in mind that we wouldn't have brought anyone onto the team if we didn't think they could do the work. Everyone improves if you give them time. We all had to start somewhere.

You can see myself as a skilled coder and you know it, I think my release record proves that.
As for improving with time, I honestly don't think recruiting people who need an improve at a time when quick changes are needed is such a good iea.

[Zachery]

Originally Posted by Psionic Vision

You can see myself as a skilled coder and you know it.
As for improving with time, I honestly don't think recruiting people who need an improve at a time when quick changes are needed is such a good iea.

Anthony, I can honestly say I've never used one of your modifications or took extensive time to review your code.