Whats with JumpDs mods! Part 2

[DrewM]

This author's modifications were not removed out of spite, the moderator that did so was just following policy. This user was very vocal in the last few days, so it's easy to assume this was done out of spite, but the fact is the author was vocal so it was noticed right off and dealt with. Yes there are examples of other modifications that have lingered in the forums for awhile without begin deleted, they have ethor gone un-noticed or a grace period was given' and it was never followed up on.

well now there noticed and mods are viewing this thread and still leaving it!

[Tralala]

While the mods deliberate and conjecture and draft by-laws and lobby Congress, here's a radical idea...

How about reinstating the threads for, like a week or so, so the users who need information in them can save them to their hard drives? Install the Download Thread as PDF hack, and that'll make it super easy for interested parties to grab them in the meantime.

[Martin]

Here's a thought.

Everyone here who has contributed monetarily to the upkeep of this site and/or clicked the donate link in any of the mods you currently use to show your appreciation for the coders here, please raise your hand.

There is talk of the Admins/Mods, who are indeed doing this on their own time for the love of vBulletin and the members here, wanting it both ways. Perhaps some of the people who are complaining in this thread may need to step back and take a look at themselves. They seem to want the benefit of a free service run by volunteers as well as an entity with corporate responsibilities and mentality. You can't have it both ways.

In case people haven't noticed, there are changes being implemented. Yes, they are taking some time, but they are being implemented by an all volunteer staff who do this in their spare time. They, just like you, have day jobs they are responsible for, some have familial obligations, etc, etc, etc, just like you. Give them some time to get it done and you might wind up happy witht he results, though as in anything, there are those who would complain if you hung them with a brand new rope.

While this site is sanctioned by vBulletin, it is not a vBulletin run site. The site was set up so that coders who love the product and want to share their work with the general vBulletin community could do so without worrying about giving it away to pirates. We are aware, however, that the thoughts and attitudes expressed here can have a negative impact on how Jelsoft looks and we do try to work with the vB.org staff to resolve issues. We cannot step in and override their authority here, or it would defeat the purpose of this project.

Every forum I have ever been associated with always talks about "the good old days" and inevitably develops a groups of people who consider their tenure a license to act elitist. It's the nature of forums, in fact it's the nature of any club or social organization. Any of you who have large-ish boards should know this. You should also know that things have a way of working themselves out in the end, and sometimes it takes a major event, as seems to be happening here.

Please be a little patient and allow the admins and mods here to try to get things sorted.

[Tralala]

Originally Posted by Martin

Everyone here who has contributed monetarily to the upkeep of this site and/or clicked the donate link in any of the mods you currently use to show your appreciation for the coders here, please raise your hand.

/raises hand

[Paul M]

I've contributed financially to the Author of ALL my hacks

[dwbro1]

Originally Posted by Martin

Here's a thought.

Everyone here who has contributed monetarily to the upkeep of this site and/or clicked the donate link in any of the mods you currently use to show your appreciation for the coders here, please raise your hand.

raises hand

Originally Posted by Martin

There is talk of the Admins/Mods, who are indeed doing this on their own time for the love of vBulletin and the members here, wanting it both ways. Perhaps some of the people who are complaining in this thread may need to step back and take a look at themselves. They seem to want the benefit of a free service run by volunteers as well as an entity with corporate responsibilities and mentality. You can't have it both ways.

ok, I only continued this thread to try and get HELP on a problem I was experiencing with one of the GREAT mods by JumpD. It should have been simple to just reinstate the threads and close them, until a final decision could be made. This would have taken less time to accomplish than the time spent reading these threads.

Originally Posted by Martin

In case people haven't noticed, there are changes being implemented. Yes, they are taking some time, but they are being implemented by an all volunteer staff who do this in their spare time. They, just like you, ......

Believe me I feel for volunteers and PAID support staff, especially a lvl 1 position, as they take the brunt of abuse from the customers. I don't think anyone here, ok maybe some, do not truely apprecaite vb.org and all the great work from everyone, I know I sure do. This is not, too me, about any past or ongoing support issue, I have made a "simple" request and now am sitting back and patiently waiting a resolution. Although, it appears this might become quite a telling support issue played out in public.

Originally Posted by Martin

While this site is sanctioned by vBulletin, it is not a vBulletin run site. The site was set up so that coders who love the product and want to share their work with the general vBulletin community could do so without worrying about giving it away to pirates. We are aware, however, that the thoughts and attitudes expressed here can have a negative impact on how Jelsoft looks and we do try to work with the vB.org staff to resolve issues. We cannot step in and override their authority here, or it would defeat the purpose of this project.

Well how about a nudge?

Originally Posted by Martin

Please be a little patient and allow the admins and mods here to try to get things sorted.

I'm being patient but as the "customer" I only see one course of action. So, am I being patient for them to restore the messages and close them, or am I being patient for them to make a decision on if they are going to restore them?

[The Geek]

Hey Martin,

Everyone here has contributed to the upkeep of the site as we are all vBulletin license holders. I assume it is Jelsoft that pays for hosting, hardware, licenses, etc... its .org that is the one stop referal spot for pre-sales questions regarding functionality not that doesnt come with vB (you pointed this out the other day)

Taking a step back, it seems to me that it is Jelsoft that is wanting it both ways. You want an free modding community to promote sales of your software but Jelsoft wants to totally control it, yet distance itself from it. You want it run a certain way but won't pay people to do it. You feel everyone should contribute their work FOC but you guys will charge for your yours (and no one should ever mention otherwise).

vbulletin.org is a brand name and every much a part of vBulletin as .com - Jelsoft needs to support .org so it is as strong of a brand and as beneficial to Jelsoft as it can be.

I look forward to seeing the changes played out.

Originally Posted by Martin

Here's a thought.

Everyone here who has contributed monetarily to the upkeep of this site and/or clicked the donate link in any of the mods you currently use to show your appreciation for the coders here, please raise your hand.

There is talk of the Admins/Mods, who are indeed doing this on their own time for the love of vBulletin and the members here, wanting it both ways. Perhaps some of the people who are complaining in this thread may need to step back and take a look at themselves. They seem to want the benefit of a free service run by volunteers as well as an entity with corporate responsibilities and mentality. You can't have it both ways.

In case people haven't noticed, there are changes being implemented. Yes, they are taking some time, but they are being implemented by an all volunteer staff who do this in their spare time. They, just like you, have day jobs they are responsible for, some have familial obligations, etc, etc, etc, just like you. Give them some time to get it done and you might wind up happy witht he results, though as in anything, there are those who would complain if you hung them with a brand new rope.

While this site is sanctioned by vBulletin, it is not a vBulletin run site. The site was set up so that coders who love the product and want to share their work with the general vBulletin community could do so without worrying about giving it away to pirates. We are aware, however, that the thoughts and attitudes expressed here can have a negative impact on how Jelsoft looks and we do try to work with the vB.org staff to resolve issues. We cannot step in and override their authority here, or it would defeat the purpose of this project.

Every forum I have ever been associated with always talks about "the good old days" and inevitably develops a groups of people who consider their tenure a license to act elitist. It's the nature of forums, in fact it's the nature of any club or social organization. Any of you who have large-ish boards should know this. You should also know that things have a way of working themselves out in the end, and sometimes it takes a major event, as seems to be happening here.

Please be a little patient and allow the admins and mods here to try to get things sorted.

[Martin]

Actually, since everything here is free, you don't exactly qualify as a "customer". A customer is someone who has paid for a specific product. vBulletin.org is a free service that is offered without warranty.
That said, I feel your pain. JumpD did have some great hacks here, but he is the one who made the choice to remove them. Since he made that choice, you will need to wait until a decision is made.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by The Geek

Taking a step back, it seems to me that it is Jelsoft that is wanting it both ways. You want an free modding community to promote sales of your software but Jelsoft wants to totally control it, yet distance itself from it. You want it run a certain way but won't pay people to do it. You feel everyone should contribute their work FOC but you guys will charge for your yours (and no one should ever mention otherwise).

vBulletin/Jelsoft does not want to "control" vBulletin.org. We actually take a pretty much hands off approch to the community here. As Wayne said, it is designed as a "member-to-member" community.
We do not exhort any control over the way this site is run. We do work with the vB.org staff to help resolve issues, but we do not step on their toes in the way they run the site.
As odd as it might seem to you, we have to maintain this sort of approach in order to "distance" ourselves. If we do not "distance" ourselves, we then become by implication responsible for the hacks published here, therefore responsibe for supporting code we did not write.

We do not force people to release code here, so your accusation that we feel everyone should release their code here for free is unfounded and without merit. Does vBulletin.org benefit us? Yes, it most certainly does. Should we be ashamed of that? No, we shouldn't.

It also provides a well known place for coders to showcase their talents and turn that talent into money by taking paid jobs that are available through the "Services" forum, and a lot of coders here have benefited through providing great lite versions of their paid software additions to vBulletin, so it's not exactly a one way street in regards to making money. Unlike services like eLance and RentACoder no commission is received by Jelsoft for any paid work you pick up here.
There are over 3,200 requests in the Service Requests forum, and lord knows how many deals have been handled via PM. So the coders here, should they choose to, can use this as a place to make money for themselves. Somehow that seems live it achieves something like parity.

Originally Posted by The Geek

vbulletin.org is a brand name and every much a part of vBulletin as .com - Jelsoft needs to support .org so it is as strong of a brand and as beneficial to Jelsoft as it can be.

I look forward to seeing the changes played out.

We do try to provide as much support for .org as we can. Again, we also have to maintain a hands-off stance in a most regards.

[The Geek]

Ouch.

Since I have to own a license from Jelsoft to download anything from here, then I have to be a Jelsoft customer to use the site. Therefore I have paid to use this site.

Regardless its a Jelsoft venture filled with its customers. The sooner Jelsoft stops passing the buck on it - the better