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[Xenon]

Would you please be so nice and lead me to that post where you were called replacable?

as said, i wasn't here last few days, and actually was very surprised about those threads here

[hambil]

here and here...

And it continues on in that same thread for a while...

[Xenon]

well, from what i see, that wasn't meant personal.

It's a matter of facts, that a site with the size like vb.org doesn't life because of you or me or Paul or whoever as individual. The site lives, because the community is here. Of course a community is made of individual, and noone can replace someone else directly, but from what i see that wasn'T meant. It was meant on a global aspect like Marco said, you can look at a lot of enterprises to see that as well.

The problem is if someone feels too special about hisself. It's sad but it is the way it is, and that has nothing to do with you or Ken or whoever. Everyone in the staff is included in that statement as well. If an admin quits, there will be a new one. Of course some things will changes then, as noone can replace anyone totally, and what counts for admins, that counts for mods, and for coders and even for normal users, who just contribute by reporting bugs.

[hambil]

Originally Posted by Xenon

well, from what i see, that wasn't meant personal.

It's a matter of facts, that a site with the size like vb.org doesn't life because of you or me or Paul or whoever as individual. The site lives, because the community is here. Of course a community is made of individual, and noone can replace someone else directly, but from what i see that wasn'T meant. It was meant on a global aspect like Marco said, you can look at a lot of enterprises to see that as well.

The problem is if someone feels too special about hisself. It's sad but it is the way it is, and that has nothing to do with you or Ken or whoever. Everyone in the staff is included in that statement as well. If an admin quits, there will be a new one. Of course some things will changes then, as noone can replace anyone totally, and what counts for admins, that counts for mods, and for coders and even for normal users, who just contribute by reporting bugs.

That maybe true, but the same could be said about the world - people live, people die, the world continues, the individual doesn't matter.

However, it's not an attitude most people would agree with, and I don't believe it's true. The contributions of a single person can change the course of humanity. It may in fact be the only way the course of humanity can be changed.

I'm not claiming that any of us here are going to 'change the course of vb.org' with our achievements, but someone will, and I am sure someone already has more than once.

If you think individuals don't matter then you tend to treat them that way, and you end up where we are now.

[Xenon]

I didn't say individuals don't matter.

i just said, that noone is vbulletin.org all alone, and that statement is the same on the whole globe. People die, and noone will be able to replace those who died directly, but noone other will say that he died as well, just because one individual died...

[Tralala]

Enough with the philosophies. No one's "dying" here.

Good coders are leaving because they feel disrespected and underappreciated. There's a sense that the mods here have the wrong attitude and don't know how to keep the ecosystem working smoothly.

Death is inevitable. Disrespect is not.

If anyone thinks a celebrated vB coder is of the same significance to this community as a newbie user (who bumps 6 month-old threads complaining "too much to read, this sux wont work help me pls") then I'd have to disagree with you strongly.

[Freesteyelz]

Originally Posted by hambil

My reaction was specifically to being called replaceable

For your assurance there will always be one hambil.

Everyone here at vB.org who has played a role (e.g., staff, coders/designers, contributers, users, guests, fans) have made a difference past or present. Each and every one of them will be stamped into vB.org's history. Know that the individuals can never be replaced, only their spots.

[Code Monkey]

I decided to take a 24 hour breather and step away. I come back and find that my existance here has been deleted. So, I guess the message here is don't ever lodge a complaint against the powers that be here. That pretty much cancels any chance of me changing my mind. Another great decision by a great staff.

[Boofo]

A breather includes pulling all your hacks and going home?

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by Xenon

I didn't say individuals don't matter.

i just said, that noone is vbulletin.org all alone, and that statement is the same on the whole globe. People die, and noone will be able to replace those who died directly, but noone other will say that he died as well, just because one individual died...

Stop it. You guys are scaring me with all this talk of death. :cross-eyed: