Regarding the vBHosting Hack

[GameCrash]

I don't think this thread is the right place to post feature suggenstions

By the way, I'm getting many mails and pms from people asking if I could send them a copy of vBHosting. Please stop this. I won't answer you. This won't change until either Jelsoft makes an official decision or if they don't do this until then, exactly one week after the original thread has been deleted.

[13th_Disciple]

Originally Posted by GameCrash

I don't think this thread is the right place to post feature suggenstions

By the way, I'm getting many mails and pms from people asking if I could send them a copy of vBHosting. Please stop this. I won't answer you. This won't change until either Jelsoft makes an official decision or if they don't do this until then, exactly one week after the original thread has been deleted.

glad to hear you will still make this available.. i am looking very forward to this hack once i upgrade to gold.. need for several hacks to come on out before my license expires in april.. after that, not sure if i will be back for another year long soap opera under the guise of license agreements..

[Reeve of shinra]

Originally Posted by FASherman

A good lawyer will see just how fragile Jelsoft's claim

If Jelsoft decided to sue for redistributing this hack, then could go after you for redistributing copyrighted code which the defendee wouldn't be able to defend. The amguity in the liscence regarding the context of this hack would never even be heard.

As for the Hasbro arguement... they would have bought a second or a third or even a tenth liscence. Thier corporate lawyers have a better understanding both the spirity and the letter of the agreement and for a multimillion dollar company, spending an extra $60 bucks or so for another liscence isnt even something to think about.

For that matter... Hasbro likely wouldn't want an administrator creating unlimited forums and changing the themes around and such, nor would I.

[Chris|vB]

I think its best to wait and see what Kier and everyone says. again.... or did they ?

[Morrus]

Originally Posted by Reeve of shinra

As for the Hasbro arguement... they would have bought a second or a third or even a tenth liscence. Thier corporate lawyers have a better understanding both the spirity and the letter of the agreement and for a multimillion dollar company, spending an extra $60 bucks or so for another liscence isnt even something to think about.

For that matter... Hasbro likely wouldn't want an administrator creating unlimited forums and changing the themes around and such, nor would I.

I think you missed my point. My point related to the concept of trying to enforce a license based on its "spirit", and how little effect that would have when dealing with anyone who knows what they are doing. Hasbro was just an example of someone Jelsoft wouldn't go to with their "spirit" argument, and my point is that if they wouldn't go to Hasbro with such an argument, then they shouldn't be going to Joe Smallsite with the argument.

[Floris]

Originally Posted by Morrus

I think you missed my point. My point related to the concept of trying to enforce a license based on its "spirit", and how little effect that would have when dealing with anyone who knows what they are doing. Hasbro was just an example of someone Jelsoft wouldn't go to with their "spirit" argument, and my point is that if they wouldn't go to Hasbro with such an argument, then they shouldn't be going to Joe Smallsite with the argument.

Originally Posted by Kier
This one line causes the vBHosting hack to break the license agreement.

Even if you don't think it breaks the letter of license agreement, it is certainly contrary to the spirit of the license agreement, which is one license for one board.

Just is the official statement made, and I'd stick with it and I don't see a reason to change it until a valid point is provided to correct his words. I think it is settled now and we can all go back to our daily life again.

[the Sandman]

One of the recurrent themes in this Thread is the notion that Jelsoft is not taking into account all of the ramifications of it's actions in regards to this vBHosting hack. I would be willing to wager that they have given the matter far more consideration than those who advocate circumventing Jelsoft's wishes - which could have a profound effect on the way future versions of vBulletin are developed, released, and supported. I for one give no credence to the assertion that Jelsoft is trying to prevent any reasonable use of it's software. Despite all manner of adversity, including the dDoS attacks, server crash with inadequate host support, and continual bombardment from the naysayers, vB3 is here in final form and is quite the accomplishment. Jelsoft is a business, a software development corporation - just because they are accessable and responsive to their customers doesn't mean they are your buddies - they do what they do to be able to continue to provide the vBulletin we all want.

[Morrus]

Originally Posted by the Sandman

Jelsoft is a business, a software development corporation - just because they are accessable and responsive to their customers doesn't mean they are your buddies - they do what they do to be able to continue to provide the vBulletin we all want.

Sure, I agree completely. And we do what we need to do to continue to provide our own websites, even if those actions are not in Jelsoft's interests. Our own communities come first.

Jelsoft needs to look after its own interests, of course. We have to look after our own interests. That's the nature of doing business, unfriendly though it sounds.

[Dark Shogun]

Ok Wayne Luke or Kier throw the cards on the table. Which of these are you saying?

1. This hack (as it is currently) isn't allowed to be downloaded here.

OR

2. This hack (as it is currently) isn't allowed to be downloaded here AND can't be installed on any board.

Dark Shogun

[SpeedStreet]

Originally Posted by floris

Just is the official statement made, and I'd stick with it and I don't see a reason to change it until a valid point is provided to correct his words. I think it is settled now and we can all go back to our daily life again.

I believe my post shortly after Kier made his statement completely refutes his claim.

Look, we can go on about this round and round.

#1 Having vB Staff approval for all hacks would doom this product.
#2 Jelsoft has agreed to work out a comprimise on this hack. If the author is unwilling, then he is as guilty as Jelsoft for thinking it was a good idea to just ban this hack outright in the first place. Drawing any type of hard line in the sand (as put forth by another contributor) is bad for all parties involved.
#3 The license agreement will have to be revisited at a later date. Its obvious that there are many flaws in it, including a VERY large loophole they have left wide open.
#4 Oh, and those of you talking about starting a new hack site (you know who you are), I will avidly support a boycott of that site, and do everything in my power to ensure it doesn't fly. I will not condone a site that is being designed as a vbulletin.org alternative simply so that you can begin to charge for hacks. One of the great things about vBulletin is that most hacks are free. Try getting a macromedia extension for dreamweaver nowadays...they all used to be free, now they all cost money...I cannot willingly support something like that.