Regarding the vBHosting Hack

[Link14716]

I think all that needs to be done is take away the web site crap except for logo - renaming that field. The only way I see this breaking the LA is if it is used to host a board for other sites. Take away the options for the web site and then we have Super SubForums.

[Velocd]

Hm, now that I actually see a demonstration of this hack from Wayne's site, I acknowledge my previous statements were somewhat over emphasized.

Still, this hack needs to be re-worked in the instructions Wayne provided.

Another good suggestion would to make the shell interface for the subforum manager to look not like the AdminCP. If you made it look more like the forum style, and redesign it, and less of the AdminCP and perhaps even used your own coding (since much of it looks like copy and paste) then it would have a better chance of being accepted by Jelsoft. Otherwise you are giving unlicensed users a taste of what vBulletin licensed administrators can access.

My last bits of commentary.

[Link14716]

Well, it's not like there are 50 ways to code print_yes_no_row

[ap0c]

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

Maybe it is you. The site still works for me.

had to switch to insecure mode in order to see it, yep it's still there.
From the looks of it, 2 things stick out:
- url back to your site, actually that whole section where it asks for links needs to go
-the way you set it up, sub forums dont need approval first, meaning that option needs to go

Other than those two "features," most of the rest could be done right now with a lesser admin panel hack set up for registered users. The only added feature that would be needed is the style altering section.

[Digital_Madness]

How is this hack any different than the Moderator access mask hack from vb 2.0? I see that it adds a nice gui front end along with a streamlined way to deal with the requests.

[hypedave]

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

There may be a compromise solution available to release it in a modified form. We would have to hold discussions with GameCrash and try to work out an agreement.

Thankyou

[eXtremeTim]

We payed for our liscenses and then we get all the good hacks limited down half the time. I didnt hear any problems with the vb2 user created forums hack which did part of what this allowed. It allowed users to create boards and could have been used to host boards for other sites to a good degree.

[FASherman]

Originally Posted by Reeve of shinra

There's some ambiguity here, but I believe as liscence holder in this context means the site of your forum.

Under the law (at least here in the US), corporations are considered entities with certain rights associated with people and as such entities are sometimes refered to in that sence. I believe in this case, using the same logic, a website would be considered an entity.

In contracts that I have seen with similiar language, there is usually a clause that states the 'services' being provided cannot be resold or provided to persons not with the customer organazition... yadda yadda yadda.

Of course, I may be wrong, only jelsoft can say for sure...

So all we need to do is charge anyone wanting subforums a membership fee to become part of the website staff. Bingo, problem solved and there ain't a damned thing Jelsoft can do about it.

[FASherman]

Originally Posted by sabret00the

if i'm honest i think the hack is blatantly a violation of the JLA and should've been removed, i'm not an elitest, i don't tend to mind when i find out a board was illegitimate, but that's a non-legit board out right, this hack tried to create a loop hole and that's just wrong, people should just go out and buy a license and hosting if they wanna be legit.

although i think the noble thing on the side of Jelsoft would be to buy the code outright and then it's upto them if they wanna release a "vBulletin vBhosting version".

[high]* sabret00the thinks this thread is just getting in the way of more pressing issues raised over at vb.com regarding vb.org[/high]

We have the opinion of a copyright lawyer above that says you're flat out wrong. Where did you get your law degree?

[FASherman]

Originally Posted by Kier

This one line causes the vBHosting hack to break the license agreement.

Even if you don't think it breaks the letter of license agreement, it is certainly contrary to the spirit of the license agreement, which is one license for one board.

Of course this is only your opinion and, as such, is non-binding. The only way you can elevate this assertion from opinion to fact is through a court finding. Should you choose to do so, the burden of proof is on Jelsoft. The hack user need not prove the negative of the assertion, but can certainly show through history that the hack merely does via automation what others have done for years manually. Your lack of enforcement in that matter will indicate implicit acceptance of this arrangement as NOT in violation. Hence the hack user, and the hack by extension, will be found to be not in violation of either the letter or the spirit because it merely automates that which you have given implicit acceptance of in the past.

Jelsoft CANNOT win this one.