An update on whats going on

Basicly, were are nearing the final stages of handing over the project to a group of coders so they will be able to continue the work. We would like to keep area51 open but matthew wants to use his license else where, since hies no longer directly involved. (That means we are sans one vB license for area51).

The uShop code is just about ready for a BETA test, it just needs to be packaged, documented, etc. Which will be the responsability of the new coders.

I will be announcing them over the next few days as we finalize some things.

[Decado]

Revan the modifying of code in itself is not illegal, and the free supply of this code, if it is not for sale elsewhere, is also *in most countries* legal. In some countries copyright also gives the right to refuse any distribution. Assuming that these people do not originate from one of these countries, then supplying installation for a fee is perfectly legal. Of course you cold jsut as easily revoke permission to use the code from these sites, and file a DMCA notification to their hosts

[Asi9ine]

Originally Posted by nir

When does the uCash & uShop mod will release ?

STOP ASKING! CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

S T O P A S K I N G !

I have reported you to an Admin, and I hope they will deal with you. I am sick of the way you are taking the p***.

[Revan]

Originally Posted by Decado

Revan the modifying of code in itself is not illegal, and the free supply of this code, if it is not for sale elsewhere, is also *in most countries* legal. In some countries copyright also gives the right to refuse any distribution. Assuming that these people do not originate from one of these countries, then supplying installation for a fee is perfectly legal. Of course you cold jsut as easily revoke permission to use the code from these sites, and file a DMCA notification to their hosts

What is different here is that the rules and regulations regarding work released online NOT under the GPL does not count based on the laws of each country. And unless explicitly stated otherwise, vBulletin.org hacks are released free for use and personal modification. What is not allowed is to modify and release code ("modify" meaning making slight changes as in fixing a bug, converting to new versions of the "mother software" in this case vB) either for free or for a fee, without the authors consent.
If they completely rewrote the hack, thus making it hard (if not impossible) to find the original code, they would obviously be allowed to sell it, and branding it uShop would just be disrespectful.
If what you are saying applied then I could simply travel to the Seychelles or wherever, resell pirated software, hack servers or basically break any other Internet law you can think of. Which quite frankly I don't beleive for a second is possible.

[Decado]

Well i hate to break it to you, but it is. I point out to you the several swedish torrent sites, which continue to run because swedish law does not yet prohibit them. The fact is if its not illegal in the country of origin, then the person CANNOT be charged for it. Its really quite simple.

if its not illegal where you are - you can't get charged for it.

At most an extradition request could be put in to allow the person to be deported to a country to be charged for breaking its laws, but i don't see that happening over this, do you?

it's never a good idea to assume anything about the law just because it seems liek it should, or shouldn't be that way. At the end of the day unless its illegal in the country the person is originating from, there isn't much you can do about it. Put it this way - you're local PD arent going to be able to arrest someone in the seychelles, are they? neither will any member of your countries law enforcement, because they have no jurisdiction in that country. It's really a rather simple concept.

[Asi9ine]

Originally Posted by Decado

Well i hate to break it to you, but it is. I point out to you the several swedish torrent sites, which continue to run because swedish law does not yet prohibit them. The fact is if its not illegal in the country of origin, then the person CANNOT be charged for it. Its really quite simple.

if its not illegal where you are - you can't get charged for it.

At most an extradition request could be put in to allow the person to be deported to a country to be charged for breaking its laws, but i don't see that happening over this, do you?

it's never a good idea to assume anything about the law just because it seems liek it should, or shouldn't be that way. At the end of the day unless its illegal in the country the person is originating from, there isn't much you can do about it. Put it this way - you're local PD arent going to be able to arrest someone in the seychelles, are they? neither will any member of your countries law enforcement, because they have no jurisdiction in that country. It's really a rather simple concept.

Which country does this DNForum originate in?

[Decado]

I have no idea, i was just pointing out the possibilities.

[Startinfresh]

Hope all is going well with the uShop!!

[TyleR]

@Decado: No code, even edited code, is subject to sale without the written consent of Matthew Gordon (Link14716) or Zachery.

From the uCash/uShop files:

/*======================================================================*\
|| #################################################################### ||
|| # uShop Hack Version 1.0.0                                         # ||
|| # ---------------------------------------------------------------- # ||
|| # A Geeky Designs Production!                                      # ||
|| # PHP Code by: squall14716                                         # ||
|| # Templates by: Zachery                                            # ||
|| # This may not be redistributated without consent from Geeky Designs ||
|| # Copyright 2005-2006 Geeky Designs                                     # ||
|| #################################################################### ||
\*======================================================================*/

[BrandiDup]

I just installed uCash and can not wait to try out uShop! I've never used it before but it definitely sounds like something worth waiting for. Thanks for stepping up and getting this done for everyone. If I knew anything at all about coding or testing, I would most certainly volunteer to help. I just don't have the skills yet :P

Anxiously but patiently waiting!

[Decado]

Tyler i never said it was. I said the sale of installation of it was legal. And i said that the distribution of it from certain countries is legal, in the sense that it isnt challengable (i.e nothing can be done about it)