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#11
07-16-2004, 06:25 PM
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Well now that I read what you guys are saying it makes sense. I am not charging for the hack itself. As far as not being able to use the hack unless you pay for the software, that is the case with all of the VB hacks, you cannot use them unless you purchase VB right?
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#12
07-16-2004, 06:47 PM
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that was not the question, i think i was misplaced... and i misplaced myself btw...
ok, let me explain my point... it's not regarding the use of the hack, but the use of its source... the software is not free... and you offer a hack to link to a non free software, so the hack is useless until you purchase the WWC... point is not the free thing, but the source... your software is not free... WWC is sold at a price... no demo... and the only software for what we have the full right to release hacks with this limit is Photopost, like stated here: Quote:
and don't bring me the kiddy comment about "VB is not free either so..." ... hey, this is a support forum for buyers of VB... you don't have access if you didn't buy it... it's not a share for all forum, it's a vB forum... one of the other softwares i see an integration for here is DigiChat... but they offer a free version for us to link to... so they follow the 4th statement... problem with the rules here: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=53261 is that the word HACK is used instead of Hack/Software ... that's why i complain a little... maybe Erwin would have to update the test so we all understand properly... isn't it ?!
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#13
07-16-2004, 07:05 PM
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Im not sure I understand the problem here:
4) Addons for commercial hacks may be released here as long as: a) A free beta or lite version of the commercial hack has been released here as per Rule (3) above. - The hack is free, nobody disputes that. b) The addon is fully functional - I am not posting that the WWM is an addon, I am posting an integration hack. c) The addon is not time limited in any way - I am not posting that the WWM is an addon, I am posting an integration hack. d) The addon is completely free - I am not posting that the WWM is an addon, I am posting an integration hack. Anyway, whatever the mods do is fine by me. I find customers like it when two separate pieces of software can work together, and I also find it benefits both organizations in promoting their product. The WWM is a stand alone product and has been for several years, I have just received numerous requests for an integration of the databases and figured it was time to do so.
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#14
07-16-2004, 07:08 PM
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Photopost also is an independant software, and is named as a hack, and is the only one to suite the statements, that's what i tell you... and remember i'm not against your release, i'm discussing the text of the announcement...
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#15
07-16-2004, 08:12 PM
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#16
07-16-2004, 08:34 PM
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thanks for the move... this situation have to be fixed.. the post from Erwin is not clear on the status of "What is a commercial Hack", because it is relating to the word HACK... a conversion or a port or integration for a non listed software is for me a direct link to this commercial hack it is stated, but not in the proper terms...
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#17
07-16-2004, 08:39 PM
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This thread has been reported for "clarification of rules" and here it is:
This rule applies for this thread: Quote:
However the discussion among you about status of such hacks are very inspiring and useful so I've moved this thread to this forum so that we can get other useful suggestions and opinions from our members about the rule. We can revise the rule according to our members tendency. As a matter of fact we were already discussing this issue among staff nowadays so the timing of this thread is perfect.  So please feel free to let us know what do you think about the rules in this thread: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=53261 IMO it would be much useful and readable if everybody tries to post a single POST to this thread recapping all his ideas in this single post, instead of discussing the issue back and forth with multiple posts. Thank you in advance for your valuable contribution!
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#18
07-16-2004, 08:57 PM
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O you can make a rule about commercial software but then you have to be consistent in this. If you let for example photopost or that pop3 mail for members (don't remember the name) pass trough these rules then you will have threads like this. Or they all are equal but they can't be more equal then the other(s). The golden rule is simple. Or you allow hacks that work together with commercial software or you don't.
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#19
07-16-2004, 09:33 PM
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Logician required to have it in a single post... so here is mine.. :
(btw, maybe change the thread title) My opinion may be straight, i think that we need a seperate forum for "Third-Party softwares", even the free ones. nobody can really control what we can have from third-party softwares, even vB guys would have to visit each site each day to see what is inside, tests, verify the security, etc... this can become a real pain... example: i am a code developper, created a tool for communities, let's say a Events Manager... one of my client require to have an integration to his vB... i create the integration, and think i can bring my tool to all vB owners... but how ?! i can't actually advertise elsewhere than hotscripts.com... but not every site owner visit that site, and most site owner never visit coders forums, because they own without coding... if i can release my integration to vB.org, users from vB will be interested to my tool, adding features to their site... but... also, will bring more contacts from my own clients because they will be interested to buy vB if it works well with the integration... because most sites that advertise Events will need a good Forum that integrate with my tool... isn't it ?! that's why a Third Party section of the site is needed. The WWM question is a good way to see the same thing... they have a eMail system, we need one for vB... i would be more interested to buy vB if i know that i can also have a complete webmail system integrated to it... and more if i can compare with others like Hive or Socket.. actually i have to base my knowledge on the sources i know... btw... vB.org is not the site where we can bargain with advertising this or that product... exclusivity is not possible, because vB.org is not the direct owner of the product... so closing this or that product to be advertised is not correct... let's get back to my own example "product"... i would be very interested to be a reseller of vB if in return i can be advertised somewhere at vB... so i can push my clients to buy vB itself, even offer a special bundle... for now, i can't, because my client would never find a single link on any vB website... i know that advertising external/third-party softwares may bring some trafic, even bring clients... and i think it's the point here... the level of released content can be ruled, even the way it's advertised... but i really think it would just bring positive echoes if we do so... we can even have a directory - vbadvanced.com just released one that represent what we can have best on that part of the system... really professional link system. i'm not interested to discuss profits and paying for advertising, because it's a 50/50 thing... both parts will win clients. having some fees to advertising would bring debates on "i paid more than you so i take more place" ... and as vB.org was created to answer all coders needs, i think this need to be part of it. we just have to state on what words are to be used on the definition... i'm not good in english, so i will give the place to others.
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#20
07-16-2004, 09:42 PM
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Well... okay then. I don't normally venture into these types of debates or discussions so I will try to make my point as best I can but I will clarify before I even start that I am in no way involved with World Wide Messenger, don't use it, don't know if it's any good, and in fact have never heard of it before today.
It seems to me that the intentions of the vb.org rules are to both prevent spamming of other software and/or to prevent "hacks" from being sold thereby keeping the community a free and self-supporting resource for current vB owners (a good thing). Somewhere a long the lines "all commercial scripts" were ruled out from being allowed to post various integrations (a not so good thing). Perhaps that was due to abuse or maybe it was during a time when message boards were mostly used as a stand alone script but today integration is key and normally done with the forum as the corner stone. Just look at the popularity of some of the portal type hacks and their efforts at blending content or a site like my own running 5 different scripts all running off the vB database. Let's face it, vBulletin is not a gallery, chat applet, classifieds section, email server, instant messenger, or whatever and isn't intended to be but there are other scripts out there that each of those may be their speciality. By being able to blend these different programs it only further expands the community aspect and "sticky content" we all desire to create around the main message board. Somewhere along the lines PhotoPost was exempt from this ruling. I don't know if it was from user demand, if they were the first to address the issue, or perhaps it's because of their use of vB as their own support forms... I don't know but to have an exemption list for commercial scripts with only one script listed hardly makes it a "list". It is a very fine line that must be travelled here to garner the best result for all owners otherwise vb.org will either turn into a hotscripts.com repost site for software vendors OR limit itself so much that it holds us back on what we can do with our forums. I agree that some sort of check and balance system is needed, perhaps a software company could collect proxies or user votes (kind of like an election) to prove they have enough vb owners already interested in their plugins or add-ons to permit them to post them here and to prove they aren't just looking to hawk software? I fully agree that companies should not be allowed to post things like "buy my software because you can use it with vBulletin" but I do want companies to have the ability to say "if you use my software and want it to work with vBulletin... here's what you need to do..." Another example would be web cam support. I am currently searching for a way to add the use of web cams to my community and it will most likely be a commercial script because of what is involved. I also want that web cam system running off of my vBulletin database which means I will need a hack to tie the two together but if that hack were blocked from being posted it only serves to reduce the usefulness of vBulletin as a forum to me. I just checked the list of allowed commercial scripts but it seems PhotoPost does not do web cams at the moment.  I think you have the right idea here but as it is now it kinda smells like a backroom deal at the expense of other very good scripts and us, the vBulletin license holders.
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