The Arcive of Official vBulletin Modifications Site.

Chris M · #11 06-26-2003, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Yesterday at 12:55 PM Xenon said this in Post #7
@nuno: You never have Played cards, poker for example, did you?
Since when do you need to know what cards the other player has before you play with him???

You'll see the winning cards after the contest.

Also it's for copyright questions, as everyone would be able to download those files...

I know all the cards in the pack

And I know that the cards I have my opponent wont

@drives fast -

Quote:

seems kinda odd...no? Why do you need to win a license if you have to already have one just to participate?

Your licence might expire, you may want to start another forum etc...

Quote:

that is not much of a contest.....I say if you choose a winner you should use the style as is or do not choose it as the winner.

Once they choose it, it becomes the property of vB.org - They can do what they want with it - And I assume most of what they mean is modification to make a template contain the valid postbit information for vB.org (the unlicenced user's status etc)...

Quote:

what copyright? Just because somebody makes something doesn't make it copyrighted.....you have to actually copyright it.

Wrong - If you made it, it is copyright to you, no matter what anyone may tell you - You should still copyright it officially just to legally re-inforce it...

Quote:

The way I see it....this is a joke. You want others to submit lots of styles and you are going to pick at them like a chicken wing and use what you want. Why not make your own style? The prizes are lacking incintive.

I would like to see styles that paople make because I lack the imagination to create one from scratch myself but seeing others makes my ideas start working.

Good luck with your "contest". You should make out real well as a result of it.

I think the prizes are good

They have explained why they are not making their own, and if you lack imagination, why make a style?:rambo: There are many places on the internet other than just that forum to gain style inspiration from if it is so important

Satan

drives fast · #12 06-26-2003, 04:12 PM

Quote:

If you made it, it is copyright to you, no matter what anyone may tell you

sorry...you are wrong....if you don't copyright something....it is not copyrighted...no matter what anyone tells you. Simply putting the little "&copy" there doesn't mean anything.

Quote:

Once they choose it, it becomes the property of vB.org - They can do what they want with it

and even if you were right.....and there are copyright issues, then vb.org cannot take posession of the style for the same reasons that nobody else could.

Quote:

If you made it, it is copyright to you, no matter what anyone may tell you

That was a contradiction

Anyway....no worries....as I said....it will suit the vb.org real well....unless someone decides to make a stink over vb.org violating the style creators "copyright"

Chris M · #13 06-26-2003, 04:20 PM

Quote:

sorry...you are wrong....if you don't copyright something....it is not copyrighted...no matter what anyone tells you. Simply putting the little "&copy" there doesn't mean anything.

I suggest you read the law - It clearly dictates that any works made by you are copyright to you, no matter whether you put a full blown "Copyright&copy2003 [name]hellsatan[/name]" there or not...

Quote:

and even if you were right.....and there are copyright issues, then vb.org cannot take posession of the style for the same reasons that nobody else could.

Yes they can - vB.org specifically state that the competition requires the entry submission of a style (or more) from you, when you acknowledge and willingly transfer copyright and ownership of the style to them if it is chosen - It is legal

Quote:

That was a contradiction

Maybe it was...

Quote:

Anyway....no worries....as I said....it will suit the vb.org real well....unless someone decides to make a stink over vb.org violating the style creators "copyright"

There should be no issue - vB.org simply stated that the conditions of them controlling the copyright and having ownership of the style are dependant on a credit being in the footer

Satan

drives fast · #14 06-26-2003, 04:35 PM

I would be interested in seeing this "law" you quote because I have seen no such thing.

it is no different than a patent or a registration of a trademark.....if you don't do it on paper....it doesn't exist and anyone can take it....copyright it, patent it, or register it on paper and take it from you before you have the chance.

I have seen it time and time again.....if you don't have anything on paper....you have no claim to it.

you are correct....the terms of the contest do say that you would turn over all rights to the style by submitting it....but you would need to own rights to it in order to do such a thing and then vb.org would need to get it on paper or it is still fair game.

I like a good discussion...this is great.

anyway...bottom line....if it isn't on paper...you have no claim to it. Anybody could claim to have created it before you and claim that you stole it from them. This is why it has to be on paper....there is no dispute to that and is the whole reason that coptrights, patents and registering of trademarks exists....to prove that you are in fact the owner.

Should I check into whether jelsoft has registered the vbulletin name? Should I check into whether the vbulletin software is actually copyrighted? If it is not on paper...anyone can steal it and get it copyrighted or register the trademark vbulletin name and then they would own it on paper and nobody could do anything about it. As I said....a simple claim and neat little mark does not prove ownership.

In order to avoid anyone getting mad....I will say tht all of my comments are IMO because I am not trying to start a war.

filburt1 · #15 06-26-2003, 04:42 PM

Directly from the US Copyright office (http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html):

Quote:

Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

drives fast · #16 06-26-2003, 04:43 PM

the fact that the statement doesn't stop at "created" supports what I have been saying

drives fast · #17 06-26-2003, 04:50 PM

from the same page you got that from it also say this:

Quote:

Do I have to register with your office to be protected?
No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section ?Copyright Registration.?

so as I have said a couple times now....if I claim I have created something that you created but you do not put it on pager (copyrighted) I can claim that I created it a week before you and actually copyright it and you cannot do anything about it and I will actually be the one who can sue you for claiming it is yours.

these things are worded in such a way that can be confusing to many and many usually stop reading when they see what they think is the answer to their question. You have to keep reading because laws routinely contradict themselves and it is left up to the lawyers to argure it out.

if you don't register your work....you cannot complain if someone steals it and registers it as their own

Chris M · #18 06-26-2003, 05:28 PM

Actually if you claim some of my work, and I have documentable proof (such as date of creation of the work on my computer), then you will be prosecuted for fraud

So even if you register it, if someone else can actually prove they made it first, you have no legal standing and may be imprisoned...

Satan

drives fast · #19 06-26-2003, 05:37 PM

assuming that the person stealing your work is too incompetent to create documents and the like to say other wise.

bottom line folks...in the digital age.....you better register your work or someone can steal it from you.

The facts I have brought up are debatable in court but I guarantee...if I have a paper and you don't....you will lose.

I am not saying that I personally would do anything like this but I know it can be done and has been done.

that is all I am saying and the facts are the facts

Chris M · #20 06-26-2003, 06:19 PM

Again, you are wrong...

If you were to steal my work and pass it off as your own, and create false documents, you would still not be the legal copyright holder...

The reason is that the real copyright owner would in fact have original and un-edited documentation - I am sure there are ways of detecting recently added documents / forged creation dates, and at the end of the day, these lengths would be gone to if you were trying to sue me for trying to get my own work back...

Face it - Copyright belongs to the creator and owner of the work, whether they have a bit of paper to say it or not...And it would belong to vB.org as agreed by submitting a style...

Satan

X vBulletin 3.8.12 by vBS Debug Information
Page Generation 0.04426 seconds Memory Usage 2,267KB Queries Executed 11 (?)
More Information
Template Usage: (1)SHOWTHREAD (1)ad_footer_end (1)ad_footer_start (1)ad_header_end (1)ad_header_logo (1)ad_navbar_below (1)ad_showthread_beforeqr (1)ad_showthread_firstpost (1)ad_showthread_firstpost_sig (1)ad_showthread_firstpost_start (14)bbcode_quote (1)footer (1)forumjump (1)forumrules (1)gobutton (1)header (1)headinclude (1)navbar (3)navbar_link (120)option (1)pagenav (1)pagenav_curpage (2)pagenav_pagelink (10)post_thanks_box (10)post_thanks_button (1)post_thanks_javascript (1)post_thanks_navbar_search (10)post_thanks_postbit_info (10)postbit (10)postbit_onlinestatus (10)postbit_wrapper (1)spacer_close (1)spacer_open (1)tagbit_wrapper Phrase Groups Available: global inlinemod postbit posting reputationlevel showthread	Included Files: ./showthread.php ./global.php ./includes/init.php ./includes/class_core.php ./includes/config.php ./includes/functions.php ./includes/class_hook.php ./includes/modsystem_functions.php ./includes/functions_bigthree.php ./includes/class_postbit.php ./includes/class_bbcode.php ./includes/functions_reputation.php ./includes/functions_post_thanks.php Hooks Called: init_startup init_startup_session_setup_start init_startup_session_setup_complete cache_permissions fetch_threadinfo_query fetch_threadinfo fetch_foruminfo style_fetch cache_templates global_start parse_templates global_setup_complete showthread_start showthread_getinfo forumjump showthread_post_start showthread_query_postids showthread_query bbcode_fetch_tags bbcode_create showthread_postbit_create postbit_factory postbit_display_start post_thanks_function_post_thanks_off_start post_thanks_function_post_thanks_off_end post_thanks_function_fetch_thanks_start post_thanks_function_fetch_thanks_end post_thanks_function_thanked_already_start post_thanks_function_thanked_already_end fetch_musername postbit_imicons bbcode_parse_start bbcode_parse_complete_precache bbcode_parse_complete postbit_display_complete post_thanks_function_can_thank_this_post_start pagenav_page pagenav_complete tag_fetchbit_complete forumrules navbits navbits_complete showthread_complete
Messages:

The Arcive of Official vBulletin Modifications Site.

It is not a VB3 engine, just a parsed copy!