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#11
06-07-2003, 05:38 PM
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:lol: @ n9ne. That's weird, generally if people don't want to post at your site anymore they just stop. Though deleting their accounts is a worry, just had an email from a chick who hasn't posted at our place since week one wondering where her account has gone. Have given up, will delete accounts when members ask me to, but wont prune the lists anymore.
On another note you have any members who regularly visit but don't post, we have one member who is registered at both our sites and comes from another site. She hasn't posted at any site, but shows up everyday and reads through a couple of forums. Filburt, the situation is of course different if people didn't specifically join a site, but find their details in the member lists of that site. I would think, and apparently there's a lot of agreement out there, that this practise is morally offensive. But then again downunder we don't get a lot of detail on freedom of association, which of course is one of the great virtues of the US. 
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#13
06-07-2003, 06:03 PM
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Hi Jethro,
I suppose the basis for your question lies in a person's right to be left alone and in his or her interest of privacy. When people join a forum or online community, they decide they want nothing more to do with that group, and they notify the manager(s) that they wish to be removed..... yes, absolutely.... that's their right and we should respect their decision. For the most part, I really don't think the others here disagree with you on this. But what I think is getting in the way boils down to a question of semantics. That being our (differing) view of what the word "delete" means. When a member tells us they want to be removed or "deleted".... they are saying they don't want to continue their membership with our club. They don't want an active account, they don't plan to come back for any more visits (therefore, no further access), they don't want their name or their profile information associated with us anymore, and they don't want to receive future bulletins or messages from us. Yet, when computer folks (programmers, webmasters, admins, and such) talk about "deleting" something (or someone).... that really translates into a more technical or literal meaning than is usually necessary to satisfy the departing member's request. Given the options admins have with vBulletin, we can essentially "delete" a member from our active accounts and quite easily discontinue any further association they have with us .... which is really what they're asking for ..... by simply reclassifying their member account from an active status to some sort of archive or banned or discontinued status that doesn't show up on the member list. If somebody quits our club, must we literally eradicate any trace in our records, databases, etc.... that this person ever existed? No, I don't think so. At least, not as long as nothing visible remains anywhere that implies this person is still a member. And as long as we don't pester them in the future with unwanted mailings or other contact from the group. Let's say somebody quits a job. Their former employer "deletes" them from the ranks of their active workforce and closes everything down that has anything to do with this individual. But their old personnel records will end up being stored in the company's archives, the memos they wrote will still exist in old correspondence files, and the funny cartoon they tacked up on the lunch room's bulletin board might still be there a few years later. While the person may no longer be an employee, the firm still retains very detailed records that they worked there in the past. At our forums..... by not literally deleting member accounts, we're able to retain some history of our former members. And if someone comes back six months later using the same email address .... the same IP address .... well, then we would still have data on all our "deleted" members we can use for comparison.... just in case.
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#14
06-07-2003, 06:18 PM
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#15
06-07-2003, 06:19 PM
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That's an extraordinarily good analogy, Talisman...never thought of it that way (especially because most of us here are, by definition of us being here, programmers).
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#17
06-07-2003, 07:06 PM
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Talisman some good points dude, thanks for clearing up the "delete" semantics.
Another thought for you. A person finds themselfs as a member of a site which they didn't actually register at (maybe they registered at a previous incarnation or something), they totally disagree with policy or content at that site and don't want to be associated with it. Surely they have a right to having their details removed from that sites records .... remember they didn't actually register at that site. And yes l know of a case where this has happened, but that's beyond this thread's topic area. Agree with the work records analogy, but equally if you are a member of say a political party (gee are we going to end up with some weird cases here) and that political party changes it's direction, you have the right to have your membership and membership details removed from that party's database as they are in fact misrepresenting you. Smoothie you ever get some one coming back asking where their account has gone :lol:
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#18
06-07-2003, 07:12 PM
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 An admin can change his site at any time without the requirement of notifying members...what if a site like Web Hosting Talk suddenly transitioned to a support site for one specific domain name registrar?
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#20
06-07-2003, 08:05 PM
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This getting to confusing for you Filburt
To spell it out, members at one site get their accounts migrated to another site which they have no wish to belong too. Think this is pretty clearly a breach of common morality and ethics, and possibly illegal. Your thoughts Talisman, am still trying to find a loop hole in your arguement in the previous post, but seems pretty tight and defiantly gives me some food for thought. Back to you on that one later dude
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