Add funds to make vB4.x get supported again?

[Alan_SP]

Originally Posted by In Omnibus

PHP 7.1 is going to be End Of Life in five months. That's the most recent version with which vBulletin 4 and vBulletin 3 work. Once it is End Of Life hosting companies will be removing it.

I really think you don't understand very basic things about server management.

You can on your VPS (or full server) install older (even "dead") versions of software. You can use panels like Plesk to do that for you automatically:

https://www.plesk.com/features/

PHP Management
Plesk provides full support for the PHP scripting language, including support for multiple PHP versions and handler types out of the box.

So, if you have your server (VPS or higher) you can run whatever PHP version, if you want to do so. And, you can be complete novice in that, as it is made very easy, if you use CP like Plesk, as it is just changing setting in your webinterface.

So, your story about doom and gloom is just story you tell yourself and it is not true.

[In Omnibus]

Originally Posted by Alan_SP

I really think you don't understand very basic things about server management.

You can on your VPS (or full server) install older (even "dead") versions of software. You can use panels like Plesk to do that for you automatically:

https://www.plesk.com/features/



So, if you have your server (VPS or higher) you can run whatever PHP version, if you want to do so. And, you can be complete novice in that, as it is made very easy, if you use CP like Plesk, as it is just changing setting in your webinterface.

So, your story about doom and gloom is just story you tell yourself and it is not true.

The typical forums administrator is not using self-managed VPS. For one thing it is considerably more expensive. For another it requires a level of technical knowledge many do not possess or care to possess. You would be the exception, not the rule.

I'd respectfully request you not make assumptions as to what I do or do not know about server management or anything else.

[nhawk]

Originally Posted by In Omnibus

I'd respectfully request you not make assumptions as to what I do or do not know about server management or anything else.

You should take your own advice when it comes to why most add-on developers left vB. At least 50% of what you post is incorrect.

I won't get into that discussion again. So just leave it at that.

[In Omnibus]

Originally Posted by nhawk

You should take your own advice when it comes to why most add-on developers left vB. At least 50% of what you post is incorrect.

I won't get into that discussion again. So just leave it at that.

I know why they left. They didn't all leave for the same reasons. I welcome any discussion people want to have. So, don't leave it at that. If you want to question something I've said I encourage it because this is a discussion that needs to be had. The "official modifications" site is dead for a lot of reasons. If you have no desire to "get into it again" why are you replying?

[nhawk]

Originally Posted by In Omnibus

I know why they left. They didn't all leave for the same reasons. I welcome any discussion people want to have. So, don't leave it at that. If you want to question something I've said I encourage it because this is a discussion that needs to be had. The "official modifications" site is dead for a lot of reasons. If you have no desire to "get into it again" why are you replying?

You THINK you know why they left.

Unless you've personally spoken directly to each developer that has left, you are making assumptions. I can make that statement as fact because I have never made why I left fully public and you haven't spoken to me.

And there is no point in discussing those reasons because in most cases they still exist today in the current version of vB5. There's nothing that will make vB5 fix problems that were brought out in alpha testing and still exist in the bug tracker today after years of being there.

[Dave]

In the end, it's all about money and they cannot make any money with vBulletin 3/4 anymore since it's all about vBulletin 5, which makes sense from a business perspective.

If you have PHP 7 (and in the future PHP 8) compatibility issues then any decent PHP developer out there should be able to fix these issues. It doesn't have to be a vBulletin developer.

[In Omnibus]

Originally Posted by nhawk

You THINK you know why they left.

Unless you've personally spoken directly to each developer that has left, you are making assumptions. I can make that statement as fact because I have never made why I left fully public and you haven't spoken to me.

And there is no point in discussing those reasons because in most cases they still exist today in the current version of vB5. There's nothing that will make vB5 fix problems that were brought out in alpha testing and still exist in the bug tracker today after years of being there.

I think you'd be surprised the number with whom I have spoken. No one purchased vBulletin 5 with the expectation that development of third party add ons and modifications would become virtually non-existent. Customers wanted to know why. I am a customer. Again, there were a number of reasons the people with who I spoke left.

Some of those reasons included the difficulty and the inability to make enough money to justify rewriting existing mods from hook-based to API-based code. Some left for health reasons. Some left because they felt forums were not the future or at least not their future. Some had grievances with the manner with which vBulletin conscripted the third party mods and add ons site.

I'm not speaking for you. You're perfectly capable of doing that yourself. When a number of coders spoke of "problems" they were specifically referring to a lack of hooks. You may or may not be referring to that as a problem. I don't know. I never claimed to speak for everyone. I can only speak as to what I have been told firsthand.

This isn't really relevant to the issues with crowdfunding vBulletin 4 but it's an important discussion that warrants far more consideration than it has been given. Glenn Vergara seems to have no issue developing add ons and mods for vBulletin 5. DragonByte Tech was doing fine with it until they determined there was money to be made from XF and IPB since they charge for every add on and mod.

People get angry when I claim there were a good number of hackers who weren't really coders or developers making vBulletin 4 products. There were. A number of those people did not know how to rewrite their products for an API-based system and had no interest in learning. I spoke with several of them as well. I never said you were one of them. As you stated we've never spoken on any personal level.

[nhawk]

Originally Posted by In Omnibus

DragonByte Tech was doing fine with it until they determined there was money to be made from XF and IPB since they charge for every add on and mod.

Myth. They don't charge for every add-on and mod.

But as you said, this really has nothing to do with funding vB4. So we'll end it there.

[In Omnibus]

Originally Posted by nhawk

Myth. They don't charge for every add-on and mod.

But as you said, this really has nothing to do with funding vB4. So we'll end it there.

Reread that. I said there is money to be made from XF. I said IPBoard charges for all their add ons. Or at least they used to. I'm fairly certain that's accurate.

[Alan_SP]

Originally Posted by In Omnibus

I'd respectfully request you not make assumptions as to what I do or do not know about server management or anything else.

Why not?

You show very openly your "knowledge", you make very wrong statements and now, when I make arguments that contradict your false and untrue statements, I should stop pointing out how wrong and untrue you are?

Sorry, you obviously think you know more than you actually do.

Also, thing is, you claim things that may scare some people with less knowledge into thinking you're right and your statements true.

If people want to have vB3/4 forums for years to come, they can. There's way to do that. Now and for 50, 100, and even 150 years even, if there would be people wanting to do something like that.

Making such outrages claims that having VPS is something too expensive, or that requires "too much knowledge" is just along lines of how much you yourself don't know.

So, if you're so bald to make such false statements, expect that there's someone who will right these wrongs. As I did.

And, learn something about servers man, will come in handy even to you...