I Know What I Saw - UFO Documentary

[BirdOPrey5]

Originally Posted by vijayninel

Yes actually they claim to have shot down one a few months back... that also belonged to the U.S. http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=7426

In any case, all of these cases are either fake, natural phenomenon, man made crafts like experimental planes, spy planes or rocket exhaust which can be seen from great distances under proper atmospheric conditions.

Some people desperately want to believe that there are UFO's roaming around here so they get fooled by these sightings. There may be life elsewhere in the universe but there is no credible evidence of this till now.

Do you believe that any government anywhere has the technology to create a silent flying aircraft on the order of 1 MILE wide- 5 times larger than the world's largest Aircraft Carrier?

Or do you believe that thousands of residents of Phoenix are lying about what they saw fly over in 1997 including the state's Governor?

[vijayninel]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

Do you believe that any government anywhere has the technology to create a silent flying aircraft on the order of 1 MILE wide- 5 times larger than the world's largest Aircraft Carrier?

Or do you believe that thousands of residents of Phoenix are lying about what they saw fly over in 1997 including the state's Governor?

I dont believe either. Regarding the lights in Phoenix, I believe there were two incidents there in 1997. In one case the UFO was a group of aircraft in formation and in another case the UFO's were flares released by aircraft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights (see Explanations)

That plus the fact that the American people have been fed of a staple diet of UFO films, TV serials, conspiracy books and magazines means that there was a mass hysteria to interpret these events as some kind of UFO's. Nothing else.

[kh99]

Originally Posted by vijayninel

That plus the fact that the American people have been fed of a staple diet of UFO films, TV serials, conspiracy books and magazines means that there was a mass hysteria to interpret these events as some kind of UFO's. Nothing else.

I thought exactly the same thing, but if you actually watch the video it's a little harder to explain everything that way. I'm not saying I believe it was alien visitors, I'm just saying it's hard to explain.

[BirdOPrey5]

Originally Posted by vijayninel

I dont believe either. Regarding the lights in Phoenix, I believe there were two incidents there in 1997. In one case the UFO was a group of aircraft in formation and in another case the UFO's were flares released by aircraft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights (see Explanations)

That plus the fact that the American people have been fed of a staple diet of UFO films, TV serials, conspiracy books and magazines means that there was a mass hysteria to interpret these events as some kind of UFO's. Nothing else.

First, everyone agrees the "second event" was flares... I personally believe it was a good way for the military to draw attention away from the first event- just drop some flares... But let me ask... Why have they never dropped flares before? Or since? No one can show video of flares being dropped like that on ANY other night except the night in question.

The first event is the real event. And at the end of the wikipedia explanation is this:

His account as to the nature of the lights that moved in formation that night is contradicted by several thousand Phoenix residents without high powered telescopes, however, and no military or civilian aircraft formations were known to have been flying in the area at that time.[citation needed] Of course, the Maryland National Guard jets were not known about at that time because their mission was a classified military mission.

So you either have to believe that 1 or 2 people claiming they were planes was right, or thousands of people who saw a solid craft with stars being blocked out by it are right- one of those thousand being the Governor of his state.

Obviously some people will never change their minds, and I doubt (hope) a Wikipedia page doesn't change anyone's basic views on such profound issues- but I am curious as to the reasoning behind the decisions to ignore what thousands say in favor of a few.

[Simon Lloyd]

I guess the reason is rationale!, whilst i don't for one second doubt that we are the only inhabitated planet in the universe, i dont believe that their technological advancement would put them in the stereo typical "bright lights in the sky...", "Shot off at amazing acceleration", ask yourself this:

If they do indeed posess the technology to travel millions of light years to reach our planet, get to the earths surface undetected by both military and civil observation posts (and amateurs) only to reveal them selves with really bright lights and an ability to get outta there real quick!, what would be their point? if they are that technolically advanced they wouldn't have to fly so low or risk getting seen to observe us, if they can visit at will and supposedly have done why no contact?, if there was such a huge vessel why wasn't it detected?, if itdid accelerate at such a rate a signature would have been left behind of some sort? (heat, distortion...etc)

There are far to many pointers to say we haven't been visited, but people want to readly believe that we have, as i said i do not deny that there must be other living beings in the universe, it would be pompus and foolish to believe in such a vastness we are the only intelligent beings.

[BirdOPrey5]

Simon,

I do believe like you there must be alien life in the Galaxy, let alone the universe. Also, considering the age of the universe it stands to reason there are likely civilizations MILLIONS of years more advanced then us. Think about that... in 100 years we went from the horse and buggy to the moon. in 35 years we went from a computer the size of a large room with 10 kb of memory to computers you hold in your hand with hundreds of gigabytes of memory.

It is not even conceivable what life and technology may be like in 10,000 years let alone 100,000 or 1 Million even.

I don't think we'll be able to travel to stars in the next 100 years. Maybe not even in the next 1000 years. But if there is any possible way to travel "faster then light" whether it be warp drive or wormholes or more than likely something we haven't even considered, then we WILL eventually find it. And if WE can find it, someone out there ALREADY HAS found it.

As for why would they "reveal" themselves to us that is a good question- one I have thought a lot about. On one hand I think we probably couldn't begin to guess at their reasons... Humans today will study things most of us would consider worthless- bugs, rats, monkeys, whatever- there are people studying everything out there. I don't doubt that some future race may see us as an intellectual curiosity. If we are being visited by aliens I'd bet we're not being visited by alien diplomats ready to welcome us into an interstellar federation, but more likely the alien equivalent of grad students doing university funded research.

Then I think that no matter how good technology gets, no matter how advanced, there will ALWAYS be a flaw in the design. That is to say- US. (Or them). Pardon the expression but even they are "only human." Mistakes will be made. A "Cloaking Device" is only good if someone remembers to turn it on. To take it a step further and look at our current civilization- NOT everyone agrees with every decision everyone else makes. If you have researches experimenting on monkeys you have PETA activists trying to free the monkeys. Sometimes they do. It is possible that not all aliens think they should be here on Earth or hiding themselves from us- it is also possible "sightings" are due to aliens sabotaging their own ships to make some sort of alien political statement.

[Simon Lloyd]

Lol, way to deep for me this time in the morning

[blind-eddie]

If any of you find the time to sit down and watch a documentary, watch Into the Universe with Stephen Hawking. He is an amazing man with believable theories. What he says makes a whole lot of since & has science to back up his theories...You will be amazed.

I think Netflix may still have it, I watched it twice...awesome documentary.

Youtube has a few clips on it but, not the full version from what I found.

[fmgrowit]

I'm personally responsible for many UFO sightings in North East Ohio in the late 1960's and 70's...sorry about that. What else is a young school kid supposed to do during summer break?

I don't believe this "life" thing is nearly an exclusive club as it used to be. With more stars in the universe than grains of sand of all the beaches in the world...I think it might be just a tad naive to think we're alone.

[vijayninel]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

First, everyone agrees the "second event" was flares... I personally believe it was a good way for the military to draw attention away from the first event- just drop some flares... But let me ask... Why have they never dropped flares before? Or since? No one can show video of flares being dropped like that on ANY other night except the night in question.

They could have dropped them before or since. You see sometimes these lights are visible over great distances under certain special atmospheric conditions (like a mirage).

Secondly you are suggesting that the military is doing this deliberately to hide something and is some kind of conspiracy. There is no conspiracy. They just dropped some flares and in other countries, nobody would have paid much attention to them. Only in the U.S can flares become UFO's.

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

So you either have to believe that 1 or 2 people claiming they were planes was right, or thousands of people who saw a solid craft with stars being blocked out by it are right- one of those thousand being the Governor of his state.

Obviously some people will never change their minds, and I doubt (hope) a Wikipedia page doesn't change anyone's basic views on such profound issues- but I am curious as to the reasoning behind the decisions to ignore what thousands say in favor of a few.

It is just mass hysteria and yes thousands of people can make false claims due to this. In medieval Europe whole villages used to claim that they actually saw the witch perfom that un-natural act. BTW its odd that they never had UFO claims those days. These seem to be a 20th century, American phenomenon.

Closer to my home, thousands of people in New Delhi, India claimed to have seen a monkeyman roaming about the streets in 2001. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey-man_of_Delhi This is in a densely populated city of some 22 million people. Even some of my friends living in Delhi joined in on the gag for fun. It was just mass histeria but was big news on the mainstream mass media at the time (we also have the fox news types here).

So yes, a large community can also collectively make false claims. You should only go by systematic empirical, scientific and logical evidence.