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Old 08-24-2009, 06:52 AM
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I agree It's amazing how vehemently people feel about this one. What ever happened to respecting other peoples opinions
what ever happened to respecting other peoples right to Life ??

It amazes me how people always forget the victims......................
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Old 08-24-2009, 09:18 PM
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what ever happened to respecting other peoples right to Life ??

It amazes me how people always forget the victims......................
Some of the relatives of those who died in the disaster believe the man is innocent. I'm fairly sure they won't have forgotten about the victims. Some of the relatives who believe he is guilty have also voiced their support for his release on compassionate grounds.

I believe that we should show some humanity to people in their final days. That doesn't mean I condone what he may or may not have done either.

The one thing I do find disgusting is regardless of whether he committed the crime or not, I don't like how he was greeted back home as some kind of hero or martyr.
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Old 08-24-2009, 11:14 PM
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If only he could die 270 times... each one more painfull.
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Old 08-25-2009, 07:30 AM
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He was found guilty by a court of law - so regardless if he was guilty or not then his lawyers should of provided proof he is innocent.
Scotland sold out and released him in a back hand deal.Is it any wonder the americans are fuming over this - a lot of the passengers where American.

Now lets get on to this compassion lark -

What about all the other prisoners who are serving long sentences - maybe we should release all them

Would you be happy to release Ian Huntley on compassionate grounds if he was supposed to be dying ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_murders

While we released a man on compassionate grounds the rest of the world is laughing at how weak we really are.
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Old 08-25-2009, 08:31 AM
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He was found guilty by a court of law - so regardless if he was guilty or not then his lawyers should of provided proof he is innocent.
Scotland sold out and released him in a back hand deal.Is it any wonder the americans are fuming over this - a lot of the passengers where American.

Now lets get on to this compassion lark -

What about all the other prisoners who are serving long sentences - maybe we should release all them

Would you be happy to release Ian Huntley on compassionate grounds if he was supposed to be dying ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_murders

While we released a man on compassionate grounds the rest of the world is laughing at how weak we really are.
Remember these people, are terminally ill and on their last legs. You could see in the photos of Megrahi that he was frail and just being paraded around in Libya for a PR exercise.

This wasn't a back-handed deal. Let me quote:

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An application for such a release must be made and must be supported by the Prison authorites together with well documented medical evidence. The crucial point(s) are that medical opinion is that the prognosis is that the prisoner will die within three months and that no amount of paliative care will prevent this.

Since 2000 there have been 30 applications in Scotland for compassionate release. Of these, 7 were refused because the cases did not not meet the necessary criteria. The nature of the offence committed is not part of the criteria
This is Scottish law, and applies to all prisoners. Ian Huntley wouldn't even come into the equation so your argument is irrelevant. But let's play devil's advocate for a second. If he were to fall under Scottish law then of course he should be let out in his final days to die with his family. No matter what inexcusable, despicable crimes these people do, I believe we should be the better humans by showing compassion to people in their final days.
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:38 AM
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Should Ronnie Biggs have been release?
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:53 AM
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Should Ronnie Biggs have been release?
would a country celebrate and treat him like a hero if he was ???
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Old 08-25-2009, 01:54 PM
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would a country celebrate and treat him like a hero if he was ???
That shouldnt alter the decision

I dont think Biggs should have been released as he showed no remorse :down:
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:09 PM
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That shouldnt alter the decision

I dont think Biggs should have been released as he showed no remorse :down:
You dont thinks biggs should of been released because he showed no remorse - yet you think megrahi should be released even though he killed a lot of people ?
Did he show remorse if so why because he claims he is innocent of all charges ??
Every killer or criminal who gets caught shows remorse at some time or another - but there crying is not for the victims - its for the fact they have been caught.

Biggs stole goverment money thats why his sentenece was high as we all know the goverment protects their money so they can pocket it themselfs.

So every killer just has to show remorse and say sorry for what they have done and they can be released is that what you are saying ???
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Old 08-25-2009, 03:56 PM
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Did he show remorse if so why because he claims he is innocent of all charges ??
Every killer or criminal who gets caught shows remorse at some time or another - but there crying is not for the victims - its for the fact they have been caught.
In this case, there were some grounds for doubt. Remember a second appeal was granted to the guy after much looking into the facts of his conviction and the case. It would be terrible blot on us if this guy (even if there is 0.1% chance) was actually innocent and he died a painful death. (

However, showing remorse can't be any criteria for release. If a man is going to die and a rather painful death at that, that's punishment enough for him. I don't think there can be any worse sentence knowing your end is 2 months off and your pain will only increase as you approach it.
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