Ha Ha, Only in the UK :-)

[Marco van Herwaarden]

@lasto

How do you know if it warrants an anger management course, if you don't know what has happened or has been said? Policemen are not above the law and i personally have enough confidence in judges that they will make a reasonable judgement. Ofcourse there are mistakes made by judges, but they are not stupid or lost all view on reality.

PS That doesn't say anything about the criminal, his actions or his punishment.

[lasto]

the police would not of been there if it was not for his actions so regardless if they shouted/swore at him,its nothing to what he had coming.
Its getting to the point where they have to treat all criminals with kids gloves - whereas if they just went straight in and kicked the hell out of him - he would think twice about doing it in the future.But what message has he been given now ??

[Marco van Herwaarden]

That everyone will be judged on their own actions?

the police would not of been there if it was not for his actions so regardless if they shouted/swore at him,its nothing to what he had coming.

This sounds a bit like the reasoning they have in Thailand. If you (as a foreigner) are involved in for example a traffic accident, then it doesn't matter who is wrong. It will be always the foreigner to blame (and pay). Reasoning of the judge: If the foreigner had not come into the country the accident would never have happened.

[lasto]

well the fact he was threatening the police and had the knife and held a 2hr stand off believes me to think he was in the wrong.
Maybe he did`nt know what he was doing and just needed some motherly love - the poor guy and we judged him so wrong

[Marco van Herwaarden]

I never said the guy was not in the wrong, but 2 wrongs still don't make a right in my book. He was wrong and according to the judge the policeman was wrong also.

[lasto]

kk if i break into your house and threaten u and your family with a knife ,now while im still in your house i get arrested,but the policeman who arrests me swears at me and hurts my feeling - can u honestly turn round and say the policeman was wrong ?

[Marco van Herwaarden]

No i can't say (nor can you without additional info), nor can i say that he was correct. I don't know what he has said, but it seems a judge found it serious enough to warrant a punishment.

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden

No i can't say (nor can you without additional info), nor can i say that he was correct. I don't know what he has said, but it seems a judge found it serious enough to warrant a punishment.

We need to get the context right here, Marco, Yes the Judge did say that the Policeman was wrong to swear at the guy, but you need to know also, that it may of been a diversary tactic to throw the Hostage taker off guard.

The end result was a Violent criminal was taken off the streets, Remeber he was Tasered 3 times, and said he had a Gun as aswell as a Knife. It was by pure sheer luck that the Police woman managed to escape, and no one was hurt.

The Guy went to court and didn't even get locked up What sort of justice is that??

and to create even more trouble he managed using the Human rights Act to Get the Policeman into trouble for Swearing?? The only people that won here are the idiot that commited the crime and the Lawyers which cream the system for all its worth using the Human Rights act.

Bless their cotton socks

Oh Well, Life goes on. Any, as promised i've got for you guys Todays, "You Won't Believe it" Story....

Britain paying illegal migrants in Calais ?1,700 to return home

Now you don't even have to be in the UK, to get hold of loads of FREE Cash, Compliments of the UK Taxpayer

Illegal immigrants queuing to enter Britain are being offered 'bribes' worth ?1,700 to return home instead.

The British and French Governments are funding the Global Calais Project which targets those staying in squalid makeshift camps near Calais.

The immigrants - many of whom have paid people smugglers to help them reach the UK - are told they will be put on a flight home and given help worth 2,000 euros if they agree to go voluntarily.


Roll Up, Roll up - Free Cash Here!!

The UK taxpayer's contribution, likely to run to millions of pounds, is to help the migrants set up a small business once they return to their homeland.
It also emerged last night that the Government is reconsidering funding joint flights with the French to take failed migrants home.

Last year the French pulled out of a plan to introduce charter flights to repatriate illegal Afghan migrants, citing humanitarian reasons.
The Home Office already funds payments worth ?4,000 for failed asylum seekers living in the UK who agree to go home. But inducements are now on offer to people who have not even reached the UK.

Officials insist that any cash payments made to the migrants come from the French Government. However, the UK pays millions every year to the International Organisation for Migration, which is running the scheme. Last year the Home Office gave it almost ?20million.

If we had an immigration system that was managed properly, and a border police force that stopped people getting in illegally, then Britain would stop being the soft target that it has been in the last decade.

This is getting really out of hand, Instead of stopping these illegals coming to the UK, Now they are going home with free cash, It really is that simple, Try it and see, Come to calais in France and try to get to the UK without a Passport, Instant Cash

Which genious in the labour party thought this one up?

[Tim Skellett]

Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive

We need to get the context right here, Marco, Yes the Judge did say that the Policeman was wrong to swear at the guy, but you need to know also, that it may of been a diversary tactic to throw the Hostage taker off guard.

1) It wasn't a judge, it was the PSD -- Police Professional Standards Dept, Northumbria Police.

2) The swearing at the offender occured after a strip search; it was not a diversionary tactic.

These facts were mentioned in the original newspaper article.

The end result was a Violent criminal was taken off the streets, Remeber he was Tasered 3 times, and said he had a Gun as aswell as a Knife. It was by pure sheer luck that the Police woman managed to escape, and no one was hurt.

This is true.

The Guy went to court and didn't even get locked up.

I too regard his sentencing as too lenient. But are you prepared to pay much higher taxes to be able to build more prisons? Prisons in the UK are already way too over-crowded.

Unless you are prepared to pay higher taxes for better all-round policing and courts, all this is empty.

and to create even more trouble he managed using the Human rights Act to Get the Policeman into trouble for Swearing??

No, he did not manage to "create even more trouble ... using the Human rights Act ". So far he and his solicitor have only made noises about making such a complaint under the Human Rights Act. Nothing says that he would succeed even if he did.

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Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive

... Now you don't even have to be in the UK, to get hold of loads of FREE Cash, Compliments of the UK Taxpayer

Since the offender you mentioned in your OP is a True-Blue Native Brit, and no immigrant, what exactly do immigrants have to do with this?

[Shelley_c]

There are people who like to dictate notes and feel that the judge will always make the correct choice. People that basically sit on the fence that know nothing and/or experienced nothing. Type of people that basically live in a fairy tale world.

Marco, if you knew what kind of impact knife crime does to the victim you may have a case but I can honestly say I feel your the type that has experienced much in the way of knife/gun crime. Even with the evidence all set to commit the criminal they only need to use the human rights act (I call it abusing it) you may call it creative thinking? I dunno, you never really said apart from pointing out other peoples concerns in this thread though you seem to sit on the fence about a criminal that has probably wrecked multiple peoples lives.

Confidence in judges in the UK is low. Has been for a long time now. Might be different from where you are but in the united kingdom there's a different picture being painted with killers serving two years, paedophiles getting let off after raping 2 year old girls, all because of the human rights act and of course the infamous "I'm ++++ing insane" I should be put into a luxury, low security hotel and kill again on day release.

I'd love for you too stay a week in my town and your view of things would change in a heart beat. Judging by your comments and not coming from the united kingdom I'd guess you know nothing about the justice system here and how criminals benefit from the outcome of trials which 9/10 are a complete farce.

I know I said it would be my last comment but people who sit on the fence i find to be cowards at the best times.

edit: Didn't the immigrants enter the uk two or three days ago uklive?