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04-04-2009, 05:18 PM
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Said nothing about welfare being wrong... and I have been on the receiving end of it and used it for ESSENTIALS. I was referring to.... If someone on welfare can afford to by cigarettes then they can afford food and Rx. Period. Welfare was established for one reason, to help in a time of need, to help feed, cloth and house families or to help someone who is physically unable. It was never intended to be a lifestyle in ANY country nor was it ever intended to subsidize smokers, women who continue to have baby after baby, IVF or not. Hard working taxpayers whether it be US or UK, watch their hard earned money be used for cigarettes, junk food, women who have eight babies and so forth. Enough is enough. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people who actually NEED welfare, children not getting medical care.... but all these smokers using these resources, absolutely not. Individuals on welfare CAN stop smoking, oh but I suppose taxpayers are going to have to pay for that too, instead of taking any type of personal responsibility and quit on their own? Same with fat people on welfare, sorry, we shouldn't let anyone using food stamps buy hostess products and potato chips. Just perpetuates obesity>diabetes>increased medical expensed for tax payers, whether it's here or the UK. I want my tax dollars to go towards immunizations, children stricken with terrible cancer, abused women... not cigarettes and junk food.... it's just perpetuates this mess and relieves many of these individuals of responsibly. It's a very bad cycle and unless society starts to hold people accountable again, this will just get worse. Seriously, at what point does society regain some sort of personal responsibility again? At what point do we as hard working taxpayers, say NO you cannot smoke if you're receiving welfare? Shelley, doesn't it bother you that right now as you read this, some beautiful innocent child is suffering from cancer but can't get treatment because the have no money but the person on welfare is on their third hospital admission this month due to something preventable like emphysema caused by smoking? Doesn't it bother you that a woman who makes ONE mistake and ends up pregnant, needs taxpayer help during this difficult time, but has to jump through hoops of hell to get it but then some scumbag, plastic surgery ridden psycho has eight children on California's dollar? Doesn't it bother you that some 300lbs welfare person is on their 3rd hospital admission this year due to diabetes complications after spending your money on ho hos and soda? The sad thing, people don't want to look at this reality for whatever reason. Why is it that people on Welfare in both the Uk and the US are often fat and smoke? Oh yes, I've heard the education argument a million times before. Enough with that, how about saying NO, this isn't ok anymore. It isn't ok for millions of hard working taxpayers to wake up every morning, shower and head out to a job, probably both parents, struggle to put food in their own children's bellies, can't afford health insurance for their own families, and then hand someone a blank check for cigarettes, hostess cupcakes and free medical care for PREVENTABLE diseases. Our society should be taking care of innocent children, life threatening cancer, abuse, the starving and homeless NOT lifelong takers who have often times made it an art to get through and stay in the "system", get those monthly checks, cash it, buy cigarettes before they a gallon of milk, buy cookies before they by apples.
I AM on disablity for a condition that is probably going to end my life and I've had to jump through a 1000 hoops to get it after I've paid perhaps several hundred thousands into this system for these types of people. My condition is obvious, you can see it but you know why I've been treating this way and why so many others have been treated so poorly when they really ACTUALLy need help and can't work? Because of people like the above. I've had it and have seen enough. 
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#14
04-04-2009, 05:41 PM
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Anger LOL no just disgusting. Get your facts right to Princeton.
Clean? I said nothing that wasn't clean. It is quite difficult reading the truth isn't it? Quote:
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#15
04-04-2009, 05:50 PM
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If your attempting to tap into my emotions you failed before you even typed your first word. Have you ever been in a hospital of children suffering from what your saying. Firstly, I'll endulge you. 6 months ago my dad past away with only 2% of his lungs working worked hard all his life and never relied on state benefit. In a space of a month he was turned away, operations canceled prompting a nervous breakdown. The last month of his life it was too late for them to operate and do any good he suffered from emphysema and basically left him to die. Now does it bother me? what good would that do? Think of the bigger picture, it's not the people on welfare who seem to bypass the queue who lives and gets operated on and who pays that don't get operated on your argument is directed at people on welfare benefits who have (in your case) seemed to have got a better deal, you are passing yourself over as a victim when you shouldn,t be discriminating against the people who obviously are on welfare that get a better deal than most which some of the time they do. I know they did in my dads case. Do I agree with you, no, I don't. Does it bother me, No. Get on with your life and make it the best you can rather than feel sorry for yourself. Now you bring up children. Let me tell you something. the first 7 months of my brothers life he was diagnosed as having heart problems (I'll need to check up what the condition is) Glenfield hospital and I have seen 2 month old babies die in intensive care baby unit so your feeble attempt to affect me fails. There's nothing in life that bothers me in the slightest. You get on with it, and you make life what it is. Like I stated, your healthcare system is crap, I'll listen to your points of view heck I may even laugh about them but agree with them I don't. The last thing we need is a hitler of the health care system deciding who goes up who goes down etc etc. I don't mind telling you that your post is an attempt to tap into peoples conscious, Maybe it will but I'm not one of them. I've seen it all, been through it and will whole heartly tell you I still disagree with you contrary to the above.
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#16
04-04-2009, 06:20 PM
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Shelley, not to go off the subject but I've been to the UK, worked in the healthcare system there. They seem to have a better approach, IMO. You live it, you would no better than I.
P.S. About 15 years ago or so, I had a patient who was this very special little child. Not sure how to describe this child anther than being strangely angelic so to speak. A little less than two years old, was able to stand up in the hospital crib as he held on to the railing. The poor little sweetheart was in a severe S. A attack. He couldn't breath and needed to be intubated. We worked furiously to help this baby, we couldn't figure out why was it that every time we extubed this child and his mother visited he would go bad again. This little guy was in the PICU for weeks and both his parents continually complained about not having any money and were on welfare but obviously had a severe smoking problem. As the weeks past, the staff noticed that the mother of this baby reeked off cigarette smoke more and more and that every time she held the baby he would have severe difficulty breathing. The baby was finally discharged and the nurse walked the family out to their car in the usual hospital fashion. The woman strapped her baby in the the car seat, rolled up the windows of her very nice car and lit a cigarette. The baby returned a few hours later reeking of smoke and in cardiac arrest. We resuscitated him again and of course this little guy was admitted. He was stabilized and return to the floor a few days later. The mother walks in, reeking again of cigarette smoke after being told numerous times that this was the cause of her child's breathing problems but told us that her smoking was none of our business. In the infinite wisdom of this hospital social service staff, they did not take action. The child was released in the care of his mother again and died about 2.5 days later in my ER after suffering a cardiac arrest from cigarette smoke. So taxpayers paid for these cigeretess more than likely... are taxpayors responsible for this child's death or are the parents? I'll never forget this patient as long as I live. What I will say is that every day for many years I witnessed this abuse of taxpayers money when other medically needy individuals sat on the sidelines and died. Very sad in deed. Denying medical care to ANYONE is inhumane, not insisting on personal responsiblity is another story.
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#17
04-04-2009, 06:54 PM
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It's an unfortunate incident, Like I said, I can certainly relate to what you are saying because I was in a similar boat such as yourself. It took watching a child to die in front of my eyes (many children) to dictate the person I am today (some will say a pain in the arse which I'll most probably agree with). We can't blame your situation, on anyone person. We would need to go back in time and point fingers at the makers of cigarettes, distributors tv advertising cigarettes and promoting smoking. You'll have to look at the bigger picture in these situations, obviously the parents of this child just couldn't give a crap, they should be shot. But that doesn't deter from the fact that it's a whole chain of factors that results in these unique situations.
I will say I don't mind agree with you that the health system in the uk surpasses that of the american healthcare system. Social services on the otherhand (which in the case of this child) they should have been brought in for child neglect. If I'm reading this right, why didn't you report this neglect to the social services if you knew this child was suffering and needed care each time he/she become better in health each time he/she left the hospital. Maybe the topic is going off-topic a little but it's your thread so it's only fitting you have the right to dictate what direction it's going which I don't think anyone will mind.
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#19
04-06-2009, 04:08 AM
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good luck to you :up:
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