Moving from one server to two?

[BrandiDup]

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden

AMD Athlon X2 Dual Core 5000+

This is the start of your problems. An Athlon is a processor designed for desktop computers, not for servers. Unfortunatly there are a lot of hosting companies that offer this processor for (cheap) servers.

The 2nd bottleneck might be your disks. SCSI disks in a good RAID configuration will outperform the single (assuming you have just 2 single SATA disks) disk.

I really doubt if the memory (RAM) is the bottleneck.

Oh wow, that is really interesting. Do you think any of these would be a better alternative?

Pentium 4 3GHZ Hyperthreaded
Intel E4500 DUAL CORE
Intel Q6600 QUAD CORE

Or do you have any specific suggestions for what type of processors I could look at?

This was the first dedicated server I had ever been on, so I didn't have a great idea of what to look for when I signed up for the original plan.

Thank you for your help!

[Marco van Herwaarden]

I don't have any specific suggestions regarding the processor, other then to get a processor designed for servers. (check the manufactor website).

Also post in Server Configuration might get you some valuable information (George/Eva2000 knows his processors )

[Dismounted]

Originally Posted by BrandiDup

Oh wow, that is really interesting. Do you think any of these would be a better alternative?

Pentium 4 3GHZ Hyperthreaded
Intel E4500 DUAL CORE
Intel Q6600 QUAD CORE

Or do you have any specific suggestions for what type of processors I could look at?

This was the first dedicated server I had ever been on, so I didn't have a great idea of what to look for when I signed up for the original plan.

Thank you for your help!

Q6600 > E4500 > P4

Technically, they are all desktop processors, but the Xeon ("server") equivalents (X3220/Q6600) are practically the same. The only real difference is that the Xeon processor is usually binned higher, and have been more rigorously tested. Also, the Xeon processor equivalents' pin contacts have a few extra layers, not that it matters.

For a "real" server chip, you will need to find an Xeon processor not in the 3-series, which uses LGA771 (Socket J) instead of the "desktop" LGA775 (Socket T).

[BrandiDup]

Originally Posted by Dismounted

Q6600 > E4500 > P4

Technically, they are all desktop processors, but the Xeon ("server") equivalents (X3220/Q6600) are practically the same. The only real difference is that the Xeon processor is usually binned higher, and have been more rigorously tested. Also, the Xeon processor equivalents' pin contacts have a few extra layers, not that it matters.

For a "real" server chip, you will need to find an Xeon processor not in the 3-series, which uses LGA771 (Socket J) instead of the "desktop" LGA775 (Socket T).

Good info, thank you.

What do you think of something like this?

Processor
Dual Xeon 2.8GHZ Hyperthreaded


Options:


Memory
4GB DDR Registered/ECC
6GB DDR Registered/ECC
8GB DDR Registered/ECC

Primary Hard Drive
160GB 7200RPM SATA / 8MB Cache

Primary Hard Drive Upgrade:
Dual 160GB SATA / Hardware Raid 1
Primary Hard Drive Upgrade:
73GB 10,000RPM SCSI / 8MB Cache
Primary Hard Drive Upgrade:
Upgrade to 15,000 RPM
Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) 15,000 RPM
Dual 73GB SCSI / Hardware Raid 1
Primary Hard Drive Upgrade:
Upgrade to 15,000 RPM
Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) 15,000 RPM
3 x 120GB SATA / Hardware Raid 5
Primary Hard Drive Upgrade:
4 x 120GB SATA / Hardware Raid 5
Primary Hard Drive Upgrade:
4 x 120GB SATA / Hardware Raid 10
Primary Hard Drive Upgrade:
3 x 73GB SCSI / Hardware Raid 5
Primary Hard Drive Upgrade:
Upgrade to 15,000 RPM
Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) 15,000 RPM
4 x 73GB SCSI / Hardware Raid 5
Primary Hard Drive Upgrade:
Upgrade to 15,000 RPM
Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) 15,000 RPM
4 x 73GB SCSI / Hardware Raid 10
Primary Hard Drive Upgrade:
Upgrade to 15,000 RPM
Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) 15,000 RPM

Secondary Hard Drive
160GB 7200RPM SATA / 8MB Cache

Secondary Hard Drive Upgrade:
73GB 10,000RPM SCSI / 8MB Cache
Secondary Hard Drive Upgrade:
Upgrade to 15,000 RPM
Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) 15,000 RPM
No Backup Drive



Operating System
Linux - CentOS 4
Windows 2003 Server



Bandwidth
4000GB Monthly Transfer (2000 in + 2000 out)

Gigabit Uplink Port
10 Mbit/s Unmetered Port
Unmetered Port Speed Upgrade:




What upgrades would you make to the package? Would something like that be as good as getting 2 of my current servers? Better Worse?

I think that I definitely do need to upgrade soon, as I'm about to start a somewhat large promotional campaign for one of my sites, and I am not comfortable with doing so with my current setup that is already crapping out on me.

Edited out the links after reading the announcement. Sorry guys. I didn't mean for it to turn into hosting talk. I'm just trying to figure out what's going to be the best setup for me before I stupidly choose something that is not going to be worth my time or money.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

No more memory then 4GB will probably be needed. Depending on your storage requirements (and budget), i would suggest to look at a SCSI/SAS RAID configuration for your data. 1 additional (cheap, IDE/SATA) larger disk for backup.

[Dismounted]

If you are using 4+GB of RAM, you will need to go with a 64-bit OS, or you (or rather, your server) will not be able to access the full amount of RAM available as a 32-bit OS is limited to only 32-bits of memory-addressing space.

[BrandiDup]

Okie dokie, I think I"m getting ready to make the move in the next day or two. I've decided instead of using two low end servers, I'm going to go with one higher end server. However, I'm still a little undecided as far as what my best option would be. Which type of server setup would be best, in your opinion?

# Dual Xeon E5405 Quad Core (Harpertown) (8 cores total, 2.0GHZ per core.)
# 4GB RAM
# 4,800GB Premium Tier1 Bandwidth
# 160GB SATA Main Drive - Free Upgrade from 120GB
# 160GB SATA Backup Drive - Free Upgrade from 120GB

OR

# Dual Xeon 2.8Ghz HT EMT64
# 4GB DDR Registered ECC RAM
# 4,000GB Premium Tier1 Bandwidth
# 160GB SATA Main Drive - Free Upgrade from 120GB
# 160GB SATA Backup Drive - Free Upgrade from 120GB

OR

# Dual CPU + Dual Core Opteron 2212 (4 cores total)
# 4GB RAM
# 4,800GB Premium Tier1 Bandwidth
# 160GB SATA Main Drive - Free Upgrade from 120GB
# 160GB SATA Backup Drive - Free Upgrade from 120GB

I don't really know what the difference is between them and the cost difference is fairly negligible. They did tell me if I go with the XEON, I'd have about 8 hours of downtime since I'm currently on an AMD server and they can't do a swap unless I go with the Operton. Which, in the grand scheme of things isn't a huge deal, I'm more concerned about longer term performance. Just looking for a few outside opinions before I make the big move. I'm nervous

[royo]

If you're worried about downtime being too long, I'd go with the Opteron. The HDD choice though might be a problem; I think you should go with an SCSI drive with at least 10k RPM for the main drive, as it will allow more I/O, though the space on it will be smaller and will cost more than a SATA drive.

[BrandiDup]

Originally Posted by royo

If you're worried about downtime being too long, I'd go with the Opteron. The HDD choice though might be a problem; I think you should go with an SCSI drive with at least 10k RPM for the main drive, as it will allow more I/O, though the space on it will be smaller and will cost more than a SATA drive.

Can you explain in layman's terms?

I'm honestly not worried about having the downtime, if it means me being on a better server. 8 hours is nothing, in the grand scheme of things. So, if the downtime would be worth having a better setup, that is totally fine by me.

I did check out the SCSI drive upgrade and it is an additional $120 a month. You say it helps with I/O, does that mean In/Out? As in traffic?

And, honestly, the space isn't a big issue for us right now at all. We are FAR from outgrowing the space on our current, lower end server. It's mainly just database resources that are killing us, because I've got the two forums running on one server.

Eventually, I know I will need to house each forum on their own server, but one of my sites is still so small right now, I don't have an immediate need for it.

The person I spoke with at my hosting company said that the bench marks for the xeon and operton are nearly the same, with very negligible differences, but xeon tends to just be marketed better... kind of like Nike versus Rebok or something. I just need some second opinions from people who are familiar with how vbulletin forums tend to run on different types of servers.

[royo]

Well, clicking a thread for example will make a request to the MySQL database to retrieve the post data contained inside that thread. The more requests that happen per second, the slower the server will be. You could have a 4 x quad opteron setup with 16GB of RAM, but with a simple SATA drive, the 'wait' time of the HDD will pretty much render all the other hardware useless.

Something that should be analysed is the %wa that appears when you do a top command in Linux; if it is over 10% you will start to see slowness.

A SCSI drive spins faster than a normal IDE or SATA drive, decreasing access times and allowing for more mysql interaction per second. You should consult with your service provider about this, as they should be able to tell you if this is causing trouble during peak load times on your website.