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Old 10-25-2007, 05:44 PM
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Too much water under that bridge to "unite". The mindset of both camps are different. One is supposed to be based on function and form; the other style and emotion. It's oil and water, and they don't mix well.

15 years ago the programmers dictated to the graphic designers (especially keeping the skins light). Today the Lead Graphic Designer/Art Director will get top billing in credits, and earn 1/4 to 1/3 more income than the Lead Programmer (sometimes even more than the Project Director). That's all due to what matters to the end-user now: they'd rather play a buggy/patched game with cinematic DX10 graphics powered by a 800watt 1GB SLI videocards maxed at 1600x1200 resolution, than care about "elegant" code (and way games are created today, forget modding them with any ease -- 3 materials, *3* needed for every image now).

The "split" is natural. Woe the day when both are friendly -- code will become stylish; style will become chained by "rulez".
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Old 10-25-2007, 05:48 PM
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Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see coders and designers fighting on this forum... The split I was more concerned about was coders/designers vs. regular members.
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Old 10-25-2007, 05:56 PM
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The split exists. You don't need to fight to know of it.

Don't care about the labels. Know I'm an illustrator/web designer. Don't need a label to prove it.
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Old 10-25-2007, 07:44 PM
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The distinction between Coders/Designers and Members exist, so it is appropriate to title accordingly. Some members have released work and others haven't, this is not judging anyone or dividing any member, it's simply a classification.

The argument regarding the case that some hold these titles without justifying the meaning behind them, well, we never said these titles were qualitative of an authors work. There is no way to judge something like that artificially, and it would be even hard to judge it realistically because we all have different styles and taste regarding proper programming methods.

And, as others have stated, some coders enjoy their title and take pride in it. There is nothing wrong with that.
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Old 10-25-2007, 07:57 PM
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I like the designer title next to my name. So I say no. But maybe they could make it a little harder to achieve the title. As I remember getting it really soon, two soon actually.
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The distinction between Coders/Designers and Members exist, so it is appropriate to title accordingly.
I disagree. By saying distinction you might imply coders/designers are superior to regular members, or just use it as a condition of being different. Coders, designers and regular members will be different regardless of their title. You don't need to add distinction to the equation just so a few egos feel good, for each one there's an ego feeling down. It also draws a clear line separating coders/designers from regular members, where everyone should be treated equally, as opposed to be treated with distinction.
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Old 10-25-2007, 08:27 PM
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To those who have pointed out that they don't need to labelled, as they already know what they are; I think that the whole reason of the user titles was to promote your status to other members, not to yourself Nevertheless, the whole system is flawed in that people can rehash others work and claim they are coders/designers.
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Old 10-25-2007, 09:09 PM
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If I was a user who didn't know a thing about coding / designing, I would take the word of someone who has released a template modification or code hack more seriously than a word of a member who hasn't released anything.

Not because members who don't release anything don't know anything. I would have know way to prove that these members actually have a little bit of knowledge on the subject. If someone writes a reply, they may very well know what they are talking about. But some members (not here) will reply to a coding question and not know what they are talking about.

And personally, I liked having (since it is now Advisor... Oh well) a "coder" title because my family doesn't always believe me when I say I do this stuff. So I go on and show them that I actually can do this stuff. I do not believe it is flawed, biased, or meant in any way to split "non coders" from "coders". It's just that simple.
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I disagree. By saying distinction you might imply coders/designers are superior to regular members, or just use it as a condition of being different. Coders, designers and regular members will be different regardless of their title. You don't need to add distinction to the equation just so a few egos feel good, for each one there's an ego feeling down. It also draws a clear line separating coders/designers from regular members, where everyone should be treated equally, as opposed to be treated with distinction.
You are misinterpreting what I am saying, this has nothing to do with 'egos' or 'superiority'...let me amend that..it shouldn't have anything to do with egos or superiority. If you are looking at it that way, you are misinterpreting the reasons behind the titles.

So if one "might imply coders/designers are superior to regular members," they are implying wrongly.

By my definition of distinction, I literally mean a distinction in the fact that coders/designers have released something and members without the title haven't; nothing more nothing less.
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Old 10-25-2007, 09:43 PM
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And personally, I liked having (since it is now Advisor... Oh well) a "coder" title because my family doesn't always believe me when I say I do this stuff. So I go on and show them that I actually can do this stuff. I do not believe it is flawed, biased, or meant in any way to split "non coders" from "coders". It's just that simple.
Sorry, which point you made you are saying that is simple? I can't reply if I don't know. I can just say that I don't agree that the titles do not split the community.
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By my definition of distinction, I literally mean a distinction in the fact that coders/designers have released something and members without the title haven't; nothing more nothing less.
phew.

I understand that. Now try to understand when I say forum titles split communities. Not all 4000 coders are mature enough to transcend this. And not all regular members are ok with this, many wanting to have a shiny title too, other than "Member". It's competitive human nature. Wouldn't you rather have everyone happy by removing titles? Wouldn't you rather create a feeling they are in the same boat? Would you rather have the "Average Joe" title or the "Coder/Designer" title? Or the "Administrator" title, even? Or write any title? Do you like your label? I don't like mine.
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