Hacks - Traps for users?

[lanc3lot]

I expect him to write it in the hack, dont try to transform this thread, to something else that it isnt.

I expect to have the details in front of me, as to me is sounded like a trap. If he have written what i said before, it wouldnt seem so...

And i feel i have every right to express my thoughts to the feedback forum - ffs

To be fair to Abe1 it does say "will create forms for whoever". It doesn't say "for free". The thing specified as free is the hack itself.

Yes but he doesnt say either that it will cost. So the more logic assumption is that as the hack is free, and he doesnt say anything about a cost, he will make the forms free.
I dont wait / expect noone to do my job, i discuss the whole matter only from the aspect how it looks. I created the bloody form anyway, so im only reffering to the look of it.

No. Frontpage will make a mess of the form because it makes a mess of everything. Forms as forms aren't hugely complicated but they can be fiddly, especially if they're of any real size.

Frontpage was an example of a prog for noobs, that help them create sites. Put there anything similar, u got what i mean i think...

[bairy]

There's little point getting annoyed/upset.

You do have the right to express how you feel of course, but with that comes people who may agree or disagree with you, which is one of the things you asked for.
Your original post wasn't so much "hey I don't like this but I'm not really that bothered", it was "this is a trap to get people to pay!!", and when you create something like that people are going to reply in various ways.

Others have already stated that site rules say he's not allowed to say he'll charge for services. You might have had a point about it being a trap from the wording except he clearly states in his PM to you that there will be a charge... and you don't have to pay until the work is done and you're happy, so it's not really a trap - it's just following the site rules. The fact it looks bad (to you) is just an unfortunate coincidence.

[Freesteyelz]

@ lanc3lot:

I see your situation merely as a misunderstanding. You had an expecation from what you've read and assumed incorrectly; that is unfortunate but it's life. No where in the description did it state that he'll create custom forms for free; only the hack is. A simple Q & A, to clarify the paragraph quoted in your first post, would have resolved the matter without the dramatics.

Yes, you're upset but in the end you do have a hack, you've created a form and no money was lost. Smile and move on.

[Cky47]

You gotta be fair man... its not a trap, programmers have to make a living too. By running a website you should know how to make forms and such anyways, thats common knowledge. The real problem is that there are too many people running forums that dont even know how to make a website. Then when it come time they want hack and stuff, they expect the programmers to just openly do all the custom work for the hacks for other peoples boards. A hack is a hack, its not a chance to bum work out of a programmer.

Stop complaining... like I said, we gotta make money too somehow. His hack was free, and easy to set up, you guys just need to learn a little html before you go and think a vbulletin kit equals an instant website.

Originally Posted by lanc3lot

Frontpage was an example of a prog for noobs, that help them create sites. Put there anything similar, u got what i mean i think...

Please do us all a favor and stow your World of Warcraft attitude at the door here. There are no "noobs", only people willing to learn. Stop being so insulting, this isn't an MMORPG, this is a community of professionals who help one another.

[lanc3lot]

If you got "noobs" so badly, its not my problem, but yours. I didnt mean anything more than that they dont know the basics. (its the same actually in WoW, as ppl eventually get know the game, and start playing differently, put the talents in right things, etc.).

Anyway, i expressed my thoughts and apparently many of you disagree. My point was to show that details matter much more that some think, and in here things must be more clear.

I wanted also a vb officer (chris-777 please allow this, ok?) reply, but ok, for me the thread is over.

Thnx for your time folks

[jluerken]

This thread starts to become a flaming thread.
Its no fair discussion anymore. Mods please close this therad, its a shame for vb.org

Originally Posted by lanc3lot

If you got "noobs" so badly, its not my problem, but yours. I didnt mean anything more than that they dont know the basics. (its the same actually in WoW, as ppl eventually get know the game, and start playing differently, put the talents in right things, etc.).

Anyway, i expressed my thoughts and apparently many of you disagree. My point was to show that details matter much more that some think, and in here things must be more clear.

I wanted also a vb officer (chris-777 please allow this, ok?) reply, but ok, for me the thread is over.

Thnx for your time folks

It's not "officer", it's "moderator", and this isn't a video game. If you wanted to keep it between you and the staff here, you should have PM'd them. When you come out and attack coders en masse and start calling people names like "noob", don't be suprised if people get offended.

[yessir]

Originally Posted by Chris-777

It's not "officer", it's "moderator", and this isn't a video game. If you wanted to keep it between you and the staff here, you should have PM'd them. When you come out and attack coders en masse and start calling people names like "noob", don't be suprised if people get offended.

You're dealing with a poster from Greece for whom English may or may not be a comfortable language, and demanding that they stop using netspeak, on the internet no less.

Today's word should be TOLERANCE. Every "successful" admin is familiar with the term.

I don't see an attack en masse. He's got an opinion, he expressed it, and he's happy to move on. Not unreasonable to expect from a board full of forum admins.

@ lanc3lot ~ I agree that it is a little misleading. Perhaps simply, hacks should be free, and support if there is payment involved should be clearly defined as such (checkbox?). I doubt the hack author is trying to take advantage of anyone.

vB.org has a lot of work to do to improve areas like this because everytime free intersects with money on this board, it causes an uproar. When a grey area in the rules is found, it should be addressed. Yes, things should be made much clearer or there should be a member channel to seek clarification.

Originally Posted by yessir

You're dealing with a poster from Greece for whom English may or may not be a comfortable language, and demanding that they stop using netspeak, on the internet no less.

No, I'm correcting him because he mentioned it himself in the first post.

So...i ask you and please a VB.ORG Officer (i am wow addicted, if the word is different, sorry) reply too...

And I'm not asking him not to use netspeak, I'm saying that it's not cool to call people "noobs" like this is Counter-Strike instead of a programming forum.

I've made my point. If you want to defend the guy go right ahead, but I think he's 100% in the wrong.