When members have a sense of 'entitlement'

[Boofo]

Well, in the special forces we used "sort IT out". I mean... I HEARD that's how we... they... said it.

[smacklan]

oooorraaahhh!!! ....wait....thats the Marines your way is good too as long as they're all banned lol!

[Tim Skellett]

Originally Posted by Boofo

Well, in the special forces we used "sort IT out". I mean... I HEARD that's how we... they... said it.

Actually, the very original phrase was a little different:
Arnaud-Armaury, the Abbot of Citeaux, and "spiritual advisor" (i.e. ideologist-in-charge) to the Albigensian Crusade was the person who came up with it. When the crusader army was beseiging Beziers in France in 1209, and the "heretics" numbered only a small proportion of the beseiged town's population, someone asked Arnaud-Armaury how then they should sort out the townfolk, to which he replied,
"Kill them all. God will know his own."
(which they did, slaughtering almost everyone in town, over 20,000; the number of actual heretics was only round 200 or less, which meant 19, 800 were Officially Innocent, which didn't help them much).
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So I would say you are completely free to say "sort 'em out" or "sort it out", whichever you prefer.

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by Tim Skellett

Actually, the very original phrase was a little different:
Arnaud-Armaury, the Abbot of Citeaux, and "spiritual advisor" (i.e. ideologist-in-charge) to the Albigensian Crusade was the person who came up with it. When the crusader army was beseiging Beziers in France in 1209, and the "heretics" numbered only a small proportion of the beseiged town's population, someone asked Arnaud-Armaury how then they should sort out the townfolk, to which he replied,
"Kill them all. God will know his own."
(which they did, slaughtering almost everyone in town, over 20,000; the number of actual heretics was only round 200 or less, which meant 19, 800 were Officially Innocent, which didn't help them much).
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So I would say you are completely free to say "sort 'em out" or "sort it out", whichever you prefer.

You know? I wish I had had that explanation given to me when I was waist-dep in mud in the tenches and trying to figure out what was the right way to say it. Thank you for that. :cross-eyed:

[smacklan]

Originally Posted by Boofo

when I was waist-dep in mud in the tenches

I've always wanted to know what WW1 was like...share your experiences with us

[Boofo]

You REALLY like it in that state hospital don't you? Why, I oughta...

[smacklan]

Originally Posted by Boofo

You REALLY like it in that state hospital don't you? Why, I oughta...

:banana:

Actually, I just got turned loose from the State Hospital, ummmhuuh...like me some of them bisquits and mustard, ummmhuuuh

[Boofo]

You're a very sick individual, do you know that?

/me adds smacklan to the top of the Christmas Card list and thinks he is his type of friend!

[Lady Divus]

Originally Posted by MPDev

so when you are confronted with members who feel entitled to a say in how you run your site, how do you respond?

MPDev, i totally get what you are saying in this thread. I have in the past experienced those types of members. Members who are in alot of cases more active than Mods and Admins as far as posting goes. I usually tolerate them to a certain degree, but when it come to them over stepping their bounds, i quickly/nicely tell them that this is the way we do things here. If they want to leave, and/or make the comment, 'Remove Me from your site!', i happily oblige and then sometimes watch them rejoin using a different name. lol

I have also on the flip, had similar situations with staff peeps. Such as Admins who thought they didnt have to participate as Admin, just show up from time to time and read up on topics, never become involved in site decisions, but complain if the decision made didnt suit them, never reply to members questions or concerns, but yet would invite every friend they have to the site that THEY run lol

I had to clean house one day, all Admin/Owners voted on what to do about 2 Admin we had that virtually hadnt been on the site in months, and when they had, hadnt contributed one thing to the welfare of the site. We unanimously voted these two guys down to Member Status. Sure didnt take long for them to figure it out and come onto the site demanding to know why they had been demoted.

One of them understood, the other went into fits, i swear if i had been in front of him i probably would have seen a 5 year old throwing a tantrum. None the less, i explained to him why, that he wasnt the only one, that it wasnt personal, and that it was a unanimous vote because it wasnt fair for 5 others to do all the work and 2 just grace the site with their presence every few months.

I thought it was worked out and that he understood, but then he sends a site feedback stating how his spirit has been broken, and he feels like a reject, and he was leaving and never coming back and wanted to be removed from the site. I granted his wish, i banned him and believe it or not, he even whined about being banned.

Some peeps amaze me when it comes to those situations. So, usually after i have tried everything else, in a nice way to make the person understand that they are not Admin/Owners and that they cannot demand and expect to get results, (You know, those who never say 'Remove me from your site!' but never take the hint that they cant tell you how to run your site..) I finally reply with, 'Ok, here is my PayPal email addy, please send $250.00 for half of our server cost' that usually shuts them down after all else fails. I am starting a new site now, with no other Admins except for myself and one other, 'dont have to worry bout him complaining, he has to live with me'

Anyway, i could write a book on how many times i encountered these types of problems, but i will close for now...Thanks for giving us topic to kinda, well, to kinda rant lol...Take care -

Lady Divus

[Eriond]

I had a problem with another Admin a few years ago, he fell out with the site owner created his own forum and poached our members whilst at the same time starting a flame war, we lost half our members to his site and the other admins and mods had a hard time keeping up with their flames, had to ban this guy about 8 times i think before he gave up, couldnt ban his IP because another admin and several members were on the same IP Proxy as him, best part was his site died within a year but it is taking a long time to get our site back to normal.

We have a Wormhole for rants and I am considering reintroducing a private adult forum again.