Opteron vs Xeon - a good comparison

Read this for web and database server comparison:

http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1935

Useful.

[kmike]

Intel has some really good processors in their sleeve, set to be released near the end of this year, and based on a completely new architecture (codenamed Conroe). Their performance is approximately 15-20% higher than that of similarly clocked Athlon FX processors, though in business and gaming workloads. You can find some numbers from the leaked engineering sample here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=95021

Please note that the benchmarks were mostly synthetic, we'll have to see how the new architecture fares against Opterons in a typical web serving/db workload, but so far it looks very promising. I however wouldn't wait another 6-8 months for the new processors...

[FlyBoy73]

I need good power last year...

Let me re-emphasize that I am far from "brand loyal".. I will go with the proven winner over time no mater who it is..

Now, to "Conroe" processor, which is at least 6+ months out and is compared to the current AMD FX-60 processor which is not the FX-62+ which will also be out at the same time as "conroe" or maybe before. In that test, the "Conroe" processor wins in the typical enviroments, BUT if you dig into this 'test' you will see that Intel did the setup and test for the AMD system which many are calling highly suspect. Why did they refuse to supply Anandtech or Tom's Hardware (each authorities with great reputations) with a sample to perform an independent test? This is like casting polls. Anyone who wants to see certain results can poll to get the desired results.

Most importantly for those of us running web servers... These processors are built for gamers & graphics guru's.. When was the last time your vBulletin got into gaming loads and processes? That truly (IMO) is like comparing apples and acorns.. Or maybe apples and rocks?

When Intel comes out with a more powerful processor than any higher-end Opteron on the market today - that won't cook eggs for breakfast - I'll look at it as an alternative.. Until then... I'll await the independent reviews..


David

- And to think I used to hate AMD and said I would never use one again..

[eva2000]

Dual opteron 2xx cpus will probably beat conroe for mysql tasks, NUMA support in opteron 2xx server cpus/boards give crazy bandwidth for memory which mysql loves alot!

[FlyBoy73]

The more I have read up on the Intel via AMD "battle" the more I hear about the "Conroe" release and how it trounced the AMD FX60 processor. While wading through some of this I found an interesting article relating to the actual test that took place and how the AMD FX60 system was setup - very badly by Intel... Of course, accidental we're all sure.

Take a read of this if you care about the new Conroe processor and how it beat the FX60 with its arms, legs and ram tied behind its back.
http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/03...ine.html#links

[kmike]

FYI, Anand has posted an update which covers most of these issues:
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2716
The scores didn't change much, except for the F.E.A.R, but it was Anand's fault - he tested the systems at the different settings. So F.E.A.R. scores are more in line with the other results in the update.

I suspect it's not enough to convince you that Intel didn't play dirty there, since even the abovementioned independent results from the leaked sample didn't do. The point is, the tests gained a lot of publicity for Intel, as was intended, and for a good reason. You can shrug them off, but the fact stands - Intel is already moving, and AMD is not. I really hope it didn't fell on deaf ears at AMD, since the placid days of reaping the fruits of its K8 architecture are already numbered. I find it alarming that there're still almost no information apart from speculations about AMD's new architecture - K9 or whatever it was called.

Putting fanboyism aside, the CPU competition is better for us customers, so I'm looking forward for Conroe (and an accompanied AMD price drop )

[dan35]

I used to hate AMD, but now they make a quaility product, and I am a big supporter of them

[FlyBoy73]

I think Intel doing that would be very risky, so if it was someone else's "fault", cool... But, unless this changed as well, I think AMD should have been able to deliver their own computer, or at least Anandtech.

I am always happy to see the companies go at it.. The consumer almost always wins when they do.

I also think I know why Intel got as far behind as the did (Itanium) and I am sure they are hungry to try and redeem themselves. Conroe is probably a good start but I also think it is quite premature, not to mention indicative of a worried company, for them to bring out this future processor and put it up against AMD's not-even-the-latest-and-greatest chip. I will be shocked if AMD does not have something ready go... I think they are just keeping their mouths shut and the future will tell us.

All that being said.. Those are gamer chips. Those are not the server monsters that the Opteron has gotten to be. Hopefully they will have an answer for that, but until then, I'm now a proud 2x 270 DC Opteron server owner after many years of Xeon. There is nothing out there that can compete, and certainly at that level, so I will sleep well tonight. lol Maybe next year I will be saying the thing about some new Intel powered box..

David "Fan-boy of the fastest, cheapest coolest & most reliable processors - Whichever they are"

PS. I too used to literally hate AMD. Every computer I had with them was horrible.. But, that was then..

Originally Posted by kmike

FYI, Anand has posted an update which covers most of these issues:
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2716
The scores didn't change much, except for the F.E.A.R, but it was Anand's fault - he tested the systems at the different settings. So F.E.A.R. scores are more in line with the other results in the update.

I suspect it's not enough to convince you that Intel didn't play dirty there, since even the abovementioned independent results from the leaked sample didn't do. The point is, the tests gained a lot of publicity for Intel, as was intented, and for a good reason. You can shrug them off, but the fact stands - Intel is already moving, and AMD is not. I really hope it didn't fell on deaf ears at AMD, since the placid days of reaping the fruits of its K8 architecture are already numbered. I find it alarming that there're still almost no information apart from speculations about AMD's new architecture - K9 or whatever it was called.

Putting fanboyism aside, the CPU competition is better for us customers, so I'm looking forward for Conroe (and an accompanied AMD price drop )

[kmike]

Originally Posted by FlyBoy73

All that being said.. Those are gamer chips. Those are not the server monsters that the Opteron has gotten to be. Hopefully they will have an answer for that

Enter Woodcrest:
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2772
3GHz version simply obliterates the competition. Even if AMD had the similarly clocked offering, it would still be 5-55% slower than the Woodcrest.

It's set to be released in Q3 this year, in July or even June according to the rumors floating around.

[FlyBoy73]

Originally Posted by kmike

Enter Woodcrest:
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2772
3GHz version simply obliterates the competition. Even if AMD had the similarly clocked offering, it would still be 5-55% slower than the Woodcrest.

It's set to be released in Q3 this year, in July or even June according to the rumors floating around.

I could haggle over estimated numbers (comparing new Intel vs. Old AMD, etc) but I'll just sum up my response for now like this..

If "Woodcrest" or any of Intel's Exec's kids pet named chips are so great... Why has DELL now FINALLY said they are going to offer O-P-T-E-R-O-N servers?? As far into bed as Dell & Intel have been, if there is some super chip on the horizon for Intel, don't you think it would stand to reason that Dell would not offer these after 3 years or retardation? No, you can bet Dell put their hand out and said pony up the best you have and we're going to put it through the paces... And whatever that was wasn't good enough...

Again, all of these tests ass-ume that AMD won't have something better in 6 months or however long until Woodchuck's release date. In the past none of the chip guys were showing their cards so far in advance but Intel is in deep crap so they are laying them down, hoping everyone else won't migrate to AMD/Opteron servers..

Do I care if Intel drops the bomb of all chips? Heck no... If they are so far ahead of AMD the next time I need more servers I will go with them if they have proven themselves.. BUT, my single 2x 270 Opteron box right now is so far beyond the two separate dual xeon servers (one web & 1 database) I was previously using it isn't even funny. There is no comparison and my life has been so so so so much nicer since I went AMD..

So, let's discuss it again when their chips actually materialize for the general public. I've read a bunch of articles in the past touting this or that new super chip from Intel but still nodda.. That doesn't help me now.