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Old 12-19-2006, 12:32 PM
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It would be extremely foolish for vBulletin.com to ban him. They have to stay as neutral as they can in these situations, and to ban a paying customer without actually breaking their rules would be a bad idea.

One of my designers worked with vBCore a while ago (vBCore was his coder).. but now he can't even stand to talk about him. From what he told me, vBCore took on too much work, and then scammed a lot of people for a lot of money by making them pay upfront and then never contacting them again. I can ask my designer for any details on him, but I think it's better that we stay out of the legal case.
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Old 12-19-2006, 04:34 PM
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I don't think there is a legal case, no one has actually taken him to court, from what I know.
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Old 12-21-2006, 04:30 AM
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Unfortunately, its not only "coders" that are scammers. There's a whole population of "buyers" at large who are nothing but scammers. Their intentions are to get something coded overnight, and most often, for nothing, anyway they can.

Some "buyers" here, when things don't always go their way (primarily.. getting things done overnight, which doesn't happen), like to try and bully us hard working coders around by threatening to post or PM spam everyone who posts a service request here, saying things like "so and so is a lousy coder, do not hire them."

So, in talking with one of my attornies the other day, he rewrote my contract template to protect me from this immature crap. I can now charge these people $1,000 per incident via their credit cards on file in my system. I have a few decoy accounts setup here posting service requests to catch these people doing it. I also offer a discount to real buyers if they forward me any such correspondence from one of these loons.

Finally, I'd like to introduce ISYS. ISYS is a "negative database" system, currently under development by myself and three other vB mod developers. ISYS will list buyers who have committed an unethical act against a participating ISYS company/developer, such as non-payment, harassment, PM/post libel, chargebacks, and breach of contract. I'm working with 7 vB mod developers who have a combined total of over 125 records to contribute. This will be a great tool to ensure that these cons are never able to take advantage of our hard work again!

As for this website's policy on staying "neutral" to third party disputes, I don't disagree with that. What I do disagree with, however, is this website's passive facilitation of libel, by allowing these people to send private message spam to everyone who posts a service request here with no reasonable intentions other than to hurt a good developer's reputation.
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Old 12-21-2006, 09:51 AM
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I still find it wrong that VBCore is allowed to link to his website on Vbulletin.com though
If someone clicks that link, pays $1000 for a skin, never receives it, can VB be held liable? especially if they allow him to continue to link, even though people have complained about being scammed?
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Old 12-21-2006, 09:26 PM
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From my understanding VBCORE is no longer in business. I heard he does SEO work now and not Vbulletin. When he did do his work it was good. I had him recently design a skin for me (about 4 months ago) and everything worked well. Seemed good to me but when I asked him to design my new forum he told me he only accepts SEO projects now.
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Old 12-22-2006, 11:54 AM
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Probably moving into other areas he can scam with.
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Old 12-22-2006, 12:43 PM
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Not speaking about the vBCore guy in particular, but it would be easier to scam people doing SEO work as it is an ever-changing and labyrinthine field to begin with, and the results of search engine optimization aren't immediately apparent.
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Old 12-22-2006, 04:12 PM
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Yea, i'm guessing that's why he's changed to SEO work
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Old 12-27-2006, 03:08 AM
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I am constantly on the look out for quality vb coders and skinners all the time. I got scammed by vbcore and most recently a guy using the AIM name VBulletskins. He took my cash, showed me 1 screen shot of the in prgress then he dissapeared. he had the nerve to ask me 2 months after fighting to get my deposit back if he could finish the job..

keep the suggestions coming with legitimate vendors
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Old 12-27-2006, 11:15 PM
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I am constantly on the look out for quality vb coders and skinners all the time. I got scammed by vbcore and most recently a guy using the AIM name VBulletskins. He took my cash, showed me 1 screen shot of the in prgress then he dissapeared. he had the nerve to ask me 2 months after fighting to get my deposit back if he could finish the job..

keep the suggestions coming with legitimate vendors
Did he refund you the money? If so then you didn't get scammed. There is a very large difference. He might have wasted your time but in the end if he refunded you, you did not get scammed. You might want to clear that up before you keep talking bad about someone so people don't get confused.
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