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[noppid]

Originally Posted by LJR

Create a coders' forum if you must but allow other members to apply for access to the usergroup which will allow them access to it. To me, as a simple peddlar of tin, a forum should only ever be hidden if there is sensitive information in there which should not be viewable by the general membership database (for example a staff forum). There is absolutely zero benefit to creating a forum, making it hidden, when the information could be of interest to those who have not yet written a hack. Make it viewable, even if it's read only unless you have posted a hack (in which case you can then create threads and reply to others too)

That's a good sugestion for compromise. At least people can do research.

[Sangrun]

I've been involved in many technical forums and even here (the heart of discussion for the actual vehicle) we have politics and issues.

It is not different anywhere is it?

BTW: I'm a newb and I highly appreciate the people who make these hacks and mods. It takes time and planning as well as patience. On one of my sites I did a tutorial for building a specific peice of equipment and it took me a month of planning, taking pics, writing the descriptions, renaming the pics and resizing them. I enjoyed it and the outcome was great, but it can be thankless at times.

Since I have no idea what happened I hope everyone works it out.

Thanks again!

[Chris M]

The 3.6 Template Change / Upgrade Discussions within this thread have been moved to a new thread, here: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=118711

Please try and keep on-topic

Chris

[MPDev]

Instead of seperating the members here in terms like "license holders" and "non-license holders"; how about using a more suitable designation like "coders" and "noncoders". In that context you will find it easier to understand why some forums may not be for everyone.

[Ntfu2]

Why seperate the members any further then liscensed or unliscensed? Creating social status' lead to many inferiortiy problems :lol:

[noppid]

Originally Posted by MPDev

Instead of seperating the members here in terms like "license holders" and "non-license holders"; how about using a more suitable designation like "coders" and "noncoders". In that context you will find it easier to understand why some forums may not be for everyone.

The value of the License Jelsoft sells us is directly related to the access of this forum. Is is unfair to segregate paying customers in any way shape or form other then to keep staff forums private.

Until you pay more then others for a license, which we all need to pay for to play with code here, then you are entitled to no more then the guy that just got his license today.

This is becoming a business issue and that is not what Jelsoft needs. This needs to be fixed immediaty.

[Ntfu2]

Another case of everyone wants to be treated fair and the same, but also wants to be able to be split up in different groups, and clicks and feel they are better then people who cant/dont code

classic

[noppid]

Originally Posted by Ntfu2

Another case of everyone wants to be treated fair and the same, but also wants to be able to be split up in different groups...

classic

That is what the "other" vB coding sites are for. Paying customers should not be treated this way by any company.

[EasyTarget]

Originally Posted by noppid

The value of the License Jelsoft sells us is directly related to the access of this forum. Is is unfair to segregate paying customers in any way shape or form other then to keep staff forums private.

Until you pay more then others for a license, which we all need to pay for to play with code here, then you are entitled to no more then the guy that just got his license today.

you guys are so dramatic. It is not 'directly related' whatsoever. As far as I know there's nothing in my license saying I get access to .org, that upon access I must be able to read the coders forum. Its a service that is provided for legitimate customers to help them to modify their boards. If members at .org want access to the coders forum they can release a modification, its pretty simple. If the few of you are so hell bent on making coding discussion public, start talking about code in public forums. By taking private forum away from the coders you're just going to kill all talk of coding.

If you want a coding discussion that all customers should have access to, use the .com ones. That's why they're there.

[noppid]

Originally Posted by EasyTarget

you guys are so dramatic. It is not 'directly related' whatsoever. As far as I know there's nothing in my license saying I get access to .org, that upon access I must be able to read the coders forum. Its a service that is provided for legitimate customers to help them to modify their boards. If members at .org want access to the coders forum they can release a modification, its pretty simple. If the few of you are so hell bent on making coding discussion public, start talking about code in public forums. By taking private forum away from the coders you're just going to kill all talk of coding.

If you want a coding discussion that all customers should have access to, use the .com ones. That's why they're there.

Are you going to bat for "coders" for some reason? Do you have a dog in this hunt?