i disagree completely. Many coders make free mods on this site and then jelsoft just come a long and pick up any mods they like and stuff it in the next version of vB without the users permission which is breaking the rules of this site. So if we want to realease paid hacks then we should seeing as jelsoft get paid for our work.
Let me correct this one.
I don't think Jelsoft would ever use code from a hack here to add new functionality to the standard vBulletin software. They might implement the same idea that was also the basis of a modification on this site, but that will often be triggered by customer requests (and often those same requests are what in the end lead to a released modification).
If you have any proof of what you are acusing Jolsoft of, then please provide it, together with a statement from the origianl author of that block of code that he never gave permission to Jelsoft to use his code.
There might be a few cases in the past where Jelsoft have used code made by others, but i know that those authors have been contacted and credited (you can still find some on the credits page in ACP). This even happened in the few cases where Jelsoft used a bigger and original idea of an author.
The issues raised here have nothing to do with vBulletin.org. The changes you see are a reflection of the change in the status of PHP itself. All of these issues effect every single PHP oriented site that exists. Not just this one.
PHP is no longer a grass roots scripting language. It is now mainstream. It once attracted a defined group of tinkerer's and those that like to live on the cutting edge. It now attracts everyone. Deal with it. If you like that close knit feeling that used to exist here, at Sitepoint, or all the other places that are no longer as fun and helpful as they used to be, then you need to move on to the next big thing. Try Python or Ruby on Rails for that coding community feel. Otherwise, get used to the general populous and all that comes with it.
If you want to be part of a coding community you should change language or find a new forum? That's absolute nonsense.
To use an example Livewire's vBSigHosting hack. He did not get contacted.
Look at the code, they did not take his hack and just place it in the files. The developers coded it in their own way, because it has been requested for ages.
How is this off topic? We're are talking about how the old ways are gone and the new ones are here now, this is vaild imho!
Jelsoft is not taking your code and putting it in their software, they are adding things to their product that their customers request. If you see an add-on with over 2000 installs it would be crazy not to say "Hey a lot of people are using it, and we're getting threads about it on vBulletin.com all the time. I think it would be a good idea to add that as it's something our customers would really enjoy".
They then go code it themselves from the ground up, often improving and taking it to the next level. Everyone is happy because that is one less thing they have to add, and we all move on.
Way back in my day it was an honor to have your hack become part of the software. We did not care it we got credit, just knowing our idea was good enough to make it in the software was enough. Heck we did not care if someone released a hack that functions just like ours, as long as they took the time to code it themselves. Hell we would even team up and try to improve and learn from each other, or maybe release it as a joint project.
What happened to taking pride in your work just because it was something you coded yourself?
06-17-2006, 03:27 PM
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