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I must say if some people spent less time in the site feedback forum going on about how bad this community is, and more time in the other forums helping users a lot of these problems would work themselves out.
I know you all want to make your points here, but I think you all may be getting a little caught up in these heated threads. I've been here for years, I was a member in the Chen days as well. I even used a few of TECK's hacks when I ran vBulletin 2 and I always was thankful for them and tried to help other users of his hacks when I had the time. The staff can not control what members do here at all times, they are not baby sitters. They can write a policy and follow it until they can't stand to stay awake anymore but that is not going to fix the under lying issues of this community. We, as members, have to step up and set an example for everyone else. We are the ones that must educate the masses, we are the ones that must give a helping hand when someone asks for it. We are the ones that make this community what it is. |
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What you are basically saying is that since we paid for Windows, we should get all Windows based software for free. I mean if I want a program that for instance securely erases my files, I should get a $300 software for free since I already paid the same for Windows. Certain software even costs MORE than Windows itself, oh my god this is such negative impact on Windows, we must all swap to Linux before it's too late! Can you see the stupidity of that statement? It's exactly the same you are saying. Paid software does not have a negative impact as long as users know where it exists. If vBorg allowed for a directory viewable by guests, they could come in here, search the free forums and then the paid hack directory when they didn't find what they were looking for. You say you understand why coders want to make money, but you're not condoning it. That kind of hypocricy unnerves me. As Ive said time and time again, this ain't no communist society. Not everything comes for free with demand. Some things are worth paying for. Those that don't want to pay can either make their own version, or they can make do without until they want to pay for it. |
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@amykhar: what words did I put in your mouth? My response was directly toward what you said. Also, what was off-topic? In a thread about making this place better, I think it's on-topic to point out your role/staff title is in direct conflict with your ideal vision of the site. I've already promised to reserve any more comments on the Coders Discussion for the town-hall thread, if and when it ever appears . I'm very curious if the issue can get an objective hearing, given your stance.
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The issues raised here have nothing to do with vBulletin.org. The changes you see are a reflection of the change in the status of PHP itself. All of these issues effect every single PHP oriented site that exists. Not just this one.
PHP is no longer a grass roots scripting language. It is now mainstream. It once attracted a defined group of tinkerer's and those that like to live on the cutting edge. It now attracts everyone. Deal with it. If you like that close knit feeling that used to exist here, at Sitepoint, or all the other places that are no longer as fun and helpful as they used to be, then you need to move on to the next big thing. Try Python or Ruby on Rails for that coding community feel. Otherwise, get used to the general populous and all that comes with it. |
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Some of the things you take for granted these days were hacks in the old days, a short list would include: Avatars Private messages Super Moderators Who's Online Attachments in file system Quick Reply Returning to the last post of the thread after making a reply (we used to redirect the forum) Who's online in threads Soft delete aka the recycle bin Adding more than 5 moderators per forum Adding more custom profile fields (anyone remember hacking nearly every file to do that in ubb?) Last thread title in the last post column on index.php ...I could go on and on.. Yes some of these things have been default in vBulletin from the start. But vBulletin grew out of ubb in a way, and in the old ubb days we hacked all of these things in (and a lot more). The point I'm trying to make is Jelsoft is not ripping off hack authors here. They are adding things that their customers want, like they always did. If Jelsoft would have ignored the hacking community from day one, I doubt many of us would be using it today. They also don't just lift code, they code it themselves and often improve it in some way. ![]() ![]() |
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