HotM December

[Corriewf]

Originally Posted by Tony G

You seem to completly forget about all the other times this happened. Why whinge now? Why this one? Nothing was different and nothing has changed in our decision. And this decision was not made in haste or in the heat of the moment. It was discussed with the staff AND the hack author. And I'm sorry, but a few vocal members does not represent the community - we have 110,000 members, and you are like the angry mothers of the community.

All the other hack authors who have had this happened to them are of course upset, but they understand and get over it. I think some of you should just do the same. We are aware the rule wasn't that clear but we had enforced it before so it is not completly oblivious to the "community"

I did not forget. I really dont care what rule you made or what rule you may enforce. You may have to make a rule right now this second to address something. This is normal as our environment is one of constant change. The only thing I care about is the public outcry. This is now a priority of Jelsoft which has become quite prominent as of late.

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

Over time, websites evolve to serve their members. Lately there has been a lot of heated discussion about commercial hacks and addons for vBulletin and this site. Currently they are not allowed in the forums but a good portion of the membership would like to see them here according to recent polls. What I would like to propose is an equitable solution that hopefully addresses the major issues.

Tony, do not make the mistake of becoming defensive. Your use of quotes on the word community is to mock me. If you do not agree with the context then do not agree. I am sure you have another outlet for derogatory notions.

Those that have an opinion will post and those without one will not. If members are expressing themselves then they are representing their portion of the community. It is a large enough portion to spend 30 minutes reading a thread. That is large enough for me. What are your standards?

Originally Posted by MarcoH64

Could i aks on what (wrong) info you base that assumption?
If it doesn't matter, then why you posted that it was a decission by a single moderator.

For the rest see my answer a few posts back.

To establish credibility of it's haste, nothing more.

Originally Posted by Paul M

Maybe you should install the little hack that allows you to close a thread but continue to vote .....

You can always decide not to read if the content is not to your liking.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by Corriewf

To establish credibility of it's haste, nothing more.

Then i must disappoint you, it was not done in haste, it was discussed by Staff before any action was taken.

[Corriewf]

Originally Posted by MarcoH64

Then i must disappoint you, it was not done in haste, it was discussed by Staff before any action was taken.

How many people make a decision does not define whether the decision was in haste or not, time can only do that.

I personally do not fault anyone here for what has happened. The only mistake to be made now is to not listen to the current outcry of the community.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

*sigh*
This will be my last post about the topic.
I posted it was not done in haste, what info you got about staff decissions to state anything else.

[Corriewf]

Originally Posted by MarcoH64

*sigh*
This will be my last post about the topic.

Ok, have a Merry Christmas.

[The Geek]

It seems that the best solution is to reset the entire poll. Let it run on an extra week to make up for the lost time. I cant see what harm it could do. Regardless, what community there is that is currently active have voiced their opinion on the matter and it does seem to suggest that they disagree with what has happened. That alone does not warrant a reversal of staff decision - however it does warrant looking at a possible solution that would be fair for everyone.

For what its worth - I think that the mods made the best decision at the time with the information they had. However there are times when the best intentions are not always the best solutions. Be big enough to say 'crap, I miscalled that one.'

Also for what its worth - after the hoo haw, I downloaded both systems and from my point of view, v3arcade is far better. Its coded from scratch, far cleaner and better written. Thats not to say the other isn't good and has its merits - its just to point out that regardless of my preference, fair is fair. You cant punish someone for a rule that is unpublished and enforced sporadically.

Reset the entire poll, and leave it open until the end of January. Leave January's as-is normal. Who cares if the two overlap?

Just my yule log for the fire

[AshokForums.com]

GUYS please have a look at this.. whats going on here.. Check out this link https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=93783

Show your support and vote this hack for HotM September!!

Although he has clearly requesting the forum members to vote, his hack wasnt removed from the HotM for September.. https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=96300

[Chris M]

That is neither using the "Send Update" feature or the PM system, or emailing members directly to ask them to vote...

Whether this sort of action will be prohibited in the future, we will find out when the rules are made public...

IMO that is acceptable, as it is contained within the hack thread, and does not intrude elsewhere within this forum...

Chris

[kewl1uk]

Originally Posted by Chris M

That is neither using the "Send Update" feature or the PM system, or emailing members directly to ask them to vote...

Whether this sort of action will be prohibited in the future, we will find out when the rules are made public...

IMO that is acceptable, as it is contained within the hack thread, and does not intrude elsewhere within this forum...

Chris

I think you are missing the point: MrZeroPage didn't knowingly break any rules because he didn't know about the rules which is not surprising because the HotM rules didn't exist at the time he allegedly broke them. Huh? Anyway, even at this moment in time there are no HotM rules except as existing amongst the staff who can most likely change them at anytime to anything they like because they are not written down! What I wonder is what other unwritten rules we don't know about will be applied in other areas of vbulletin.org not to mention other sites in the vbulletin group? For unwritten rules" I think read "whims". It's a dirty business isn't it!

[tamarian]

Originally Posted by Chris M

That is neither using the "Send Update" feature or the PM system, or emailing members directly to ask them to vote...

Could you guys stick to one set or interpretation of these rules.

Originally Posted by Tony G

I don't know why people are continuing to waste their time arguing about this. It's a rule - no promoting your hack in a HOTM vote.

There are several past nominees and winners who asked for votes (some of them staff members). Now if you say it's o.k. to promote it in your threads, that's more "mass" promotion than PM's to your testers or those seeking support.

[Chris M]

We will work out every possible eventuality and word the rules accordingly - Whether promoting it only within the first post of your hack thread is allowed or not, I don't know... yet...

Chris

[sitka]

reset the poll.

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by The Geek

Also for what its worth - after the hoo haw, I downloaded both systems and from my point of view, v3arcade is far better. Its coded from scratch, far cleaner and better written.

You can't even enter a game manually in v3Arcade. That alone takes it down a few notches.

[Oblivion Knight]

Originally Posted by Boofo

You can't even enter a game manually in v3Arcade. That alone takes it down a few notches.

Sure you can..
Admin CP -> Game Tools -> Import

[Paul M]

Haven't we done arcade v arcade to death already ....