Regarding the vBHosting Hack

[sabret00the]

ok forget all this cos this whole thread stinks of animosity and gets back to the whole who cares, it got 3 installs and most of you wouldn't install it anyway, i'd prefer to have jelsoft buy out HTL and have HTL only installations allowed rather than get into this whole debacle.

the hack will be reviewed, unless you're gonna make a well structured argument then leave the thread, their seems to be alot of useless ranting going on in here.

anyway the reason i posted;

i'm planning on making a groups hack, much the same as msn groups/yahoo groups etc, allowing users to make groups (pretty much a thread outside of the forum directory, with a small gallery and some other stuff) i'm wondering would using this be a violation of the license agreement (it would make almost no changes to the database or files). and would releasing it on here be a problem?

[GameCrash]

Originally Posted by sabret00the

ok forget all this cos this whole thread stinks of animosity and gets back to the whole who cares, it got 3 installs and most of you wouldn't install it anyway, i'd prefer to have jelsoft buy out HTL and have HTL only installations allowed rather than get into this whole debacle.

The hack was in a different thread and had about 15 installs (which isn't bad if you see that it has been there for one day only). Not sure who clicked install in this thread

i'm planning on making a groups hack, much the same as msn groups/yahoo groups etc, allowing users to make groups (pretty much a thread outside of the forum directory, with a small gallery and some other stuff) i'm wondering would using this be a violation of the license agreement (it would make almost no changes to the database or files). and would releasing it on here be a problem?

Only Jelsoft can tell you that. Ask them (via the support sytem) and make sure you print out what they say (I have asked them ago if this hack would be legal and they said "yes, sure" - The only problem is I didn't print the result out and now you can see the result...)

[sabret00the]

if i'm honest i think the hack is blatantly a violation of the JLA and should've been removed, i'm not an elitest, i don't tend to mind when i find out a board was illegitimate, but that's a non-legit board out right, this hack tried to create a loop hole and that's just wrong, people should just go out and buy a license and hosting if they wanna be legit.

although i think the noble thing on the side of Jelsoft would be to buy the code outright and then it's upto them if they wanna release a "vBulletin vBhosting version".

/me thinks this thread is just getting in the way of more pressing issues raised over at vb.com regarding vb.org

[Morrus]

Originally Posted by sabret00the

if i'm honest i think the hack is blatantly a violation of the JLA and should've been removed

Huh? Please explain. Have you seen some clause in the license which we have all missed?

Please understand that we are discussing a very specific licensing agreement with very specific terms in it. I've scoured the agreement and can see no violation. Would you be so kind as to share with us which term, specifically, has been violated, and your reasoning as to how that term applies to this hack?

Thanks!

[sabret00the]

Originally Posted by Morrus

Huh? Please explain. Have you seen some clause in the license which we have all missed?

Please understand that we are discussing a very specific licensing agreement with very specific terms in it. I've scoured the agreement and can see no violation. Would you be so kind as to share with us which term, specifically, has been violated, and your reasoning as to how that term applies to this hack?

Thanks!

ok so maybe it stands on the JLA but it is wrong none the less

forgetting SQL space, server load etc.

it calls into question the fact that you wanna get off on running a site rather than a community and that is what vBulletin is, it's a forums package.

[Morrus]

Originally Posted by sabret00the

it calls into question the fact that you wanna get off on running a site rather than a community and that is what vBulletin is, it's a forums package.

vBulletin is a product. Nothing more, nothing less. Jelsoft sell that product (well, they license it); they create license agreements and charge a price for that license. There's no "moral" element here at all.

There's also nothing wrong with generating revenue from a website. In fact, large websites cannot be maintained without generating revenue (I pay hundreds of dollars per month for my hosting; without generating some revenue, my family goes hungry).

Even so, revenue isn't the issue here. I don't know why people keep focusing on it.

[GameCrash]

Originally Posted by sabret00the

it calls into question the fact that you wanna get off on running a site rather than a community and that is what vBulletin is, it's a forums package.

vBulletin is a software package. It contains a forum, it contains a Calendar. Jelsoft nowhere states we may not use vBulletin for something else than running a community. And, by the way, the forum hosting is perfectly integrated in the community I'm running.

[lasto]

when is the decision gonna be made ?

surely they aint waiting for a date in court as well

[sabret00the]

nah their are official jelsoft meetings all this week, expect an answer by saturday, monday the latest

[sabret00the]

Originally Posted by Morrus

vBulletin is a product. Nothing more, nothing less. Jelsoft sell that product (well, they license it); they create license agreements and charge a price for that license. There's no "moral" element here at all.

There's also nothing wrong with generating revenue from a website. In fact, large websites cannot be maintained without generating revenue (I pay hundreds of dollars per month for my hosting; without generating some revenue, my family goes hungry).

Even so, revenue isn't the issue here. I don't know why people keep focusing on it.

alas i'm the wrong person to get involved in this debate, my compassion concerning this subject isn't what the rest of yours is.

from an admin PoV making revenue, i say buy an add-on license, solves all problems and you continue making money.

from jelsoft, it's a snuff in terms of revenue but alas with an add-on license it's all good.

as i said, the best option would be for jelsoft to buy out the code and release it ASAP.