duped in service requests by eXtremeTim

[Adrian Schneider]

... and how will people find the coder's sites? What's to stop the them from finding one and getting ripped off there? Now you have even less leverage because it's not like you can post on his site saying he ripped you off (deleted post in 5 minutes).

Remember that only a small fraction of these jobs have any problems. Many community owners would be lost without the forum... do you guys have any idea how hard it is for them to find coders to do vbulletin modifications?

There are what... 10-15 well known coders that everyone (who is active here) knows takes custom jobs. They are nearly always busy. The other few thousand guys will be SOL.

Other freelance sites do offer more protection, but then you are hiring people who probably know little or nothing about vBulletin to do it instead of people who specialize in it.

Do your research before hiring. Don't take it out on the community by removing the forum.

Back on topic...
Why don't we start a pool to get the man his investment back?

[MRGTB]

Originally Posted by SirAdrian

... and how will people find the coder's sites? What's to stop the them from finding one and getting ripped off there? Now you have even less leverage because it's not like you can post on his site saying he ripped you off (deleted post in 5 minutes).

Remember that only a small fraction of these jobs have any problems. Many community owners would be lost without the forum... do you guys have any idea how hard it is for them to find coders to do vbulletin modifications?

There are what... 10-15 well known coders that everyone (who is active here) knows takes custom jobs. They are nearly always busy. The other few thousand guys will be SOL.

Other freelance sites do offer more protection, but then you are hiring people who probably know little or nothing about vBulletin to do it instead of people who specialize in it.

Do your research before hiring. Don't take it out on the community by removing the forum.


Back on topic...
Why don't we start a pool to get the man his investment back?

Thats why I said in my post above, "allow them to use a signature link" that leads to there own sites. So people can still find hacks for sale that way in there signatures, but then it takes people away to THERE own site so vB.org are not involved in any discussion about the paid hacks and services there offering, and it dealt with well away from here.

Maybe thats not a perfect solution to the problem, but it better than whats happening now.

[acerulezz]

Originally Posted by Snake

I think this thread is stupid as it has nothing to do with vB.org or the staff members on this site. If you got a problem with him, then direct this to him in person and take it elsewhere. There is nothing much we or the staff of vB.org can do about it.

Exactly when did i ask vb.org to look into this. I opened this thread after taking permission from the people here and nowhere have i blamed jelsoft for all this. There are lot of general threads here right, with lot of stupid things, if you find this so stupid, why not avoid it.
I wrote in the first post only that my hope was that the guy will see this thread and if he is a good coder, will come and refund the money if he doesn't want to tarnish the image. He actually did do that at start but thought otherwise in 15 days.

Originally Posted by Steve M

I agree, not only that but its scaring alot of people here, starting to make many think all coders will rip them off. Granted it got some to start digging into references and portfolio's but I think this thread has dragged on long enough.

How can i help it if posting about one guy will scare people of other guys. I have repeated time and again that i am not saying anything against anyone else. But yes if it scares them a bit and they take measures to check things(and esp not be swayed by how long the guy has been on board or his title) i won't mind. No one likes it when they lose money and making a general thread about it is not wrong. When you will lose cash(and i hope you don't) you will know how it feels, irrespective of how much the sum was.

The thread is here to let others know about this one person. He returns the money, i have no intention to carry on. Because he is a coder here, its natural i will raise an issue on this board. Doesn't mean i am accusing the staff of the bad deal but it does mean, and i have presented it with proof(with Mr. Tim acknowledging them), that the guy is tricking people.

[pcoskat]

[QUOTE=SirAdrian;1138058...do you guys have any idea how hard it is for them to find coders to do vbulletin modifications?[/QUOTE]

Amen to THAT! Finding reliable, professional, qualified coders is becoming harder and harder - even for the simple stuff.

Granted it's easier finding vb codes than say, Expression Engine, or Drupal coders, but vB'ers are becoming more few and far between.

[micheal332001]

Originally Posted by pcoskat

I'd be happy to, but as as been documented, micheal332001 neither responds to emails or pm's.

That said, I'll refrain from directing any further communications to him on this thread.

(If it's ok, however, I'll post when/if he makes good on the refund. That would be the fair thing to do, imo)

Sent you a pm

[lasto]

wow seems u all backing off - if u dont fight for your rights then what have u got ?

The guy came from vb.org - he advertises in his sig for work - people contact him though the pm system on here so of course its a vb.org problem.
Ok not 100 % their problem but they supplying the platform and the vast amount of customers for these coders to take advantage of.
I think vb.org stance is to take a back seat and hope these posts go away or if something is said they just edit the post.
So as i said before in this same thread ..................
When u send money to a coder - remember They do not need to do the work,and theirs nothing you can do about it.Not a thing.
Dont believe me then go here https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=128619

Look at date of 1st post - and see whats happened since then.

[hotwheels]

if something is said they just edit the post.

I hate to say it, but i agree with that. Seem's to me, good or bad the post should stay as long as it isn't full of profanity and such. There are good and bad's to every site and hiding the bad from people and editing thread's or just deleting them because they may tarnish the person that edited the post, is a bit wrong.

I just witnessed such a thing the other day where an admin here wasn't happy with what a coder had done, deleted all of the reply's from the coder, but yet, never deleted his own response's to the coder himself. But this has been going on for a long time now, and i don't foresee any change's on this issue.....heck, i was banned from sitepoint for asking a mod whom changed my thread, why he did it........he just kept deleting my reply's, never deleting his reply, and then just banned me from the site..which is fine, sitepoint sucks anyways.....but vbulletin.org is pretty kewl and people should know the good and bad. If an admin change's a person's thread, they should remove their reason for doing so, and take it to pm's. Instead of trying to show whom is right or wrong.

I hope people that do read this thread, start doing a bit of homework when it come's to giving someone money to do work on your site. There are some very honest coder's on here and a kudo's should be given to those. Hopefully like i suggested earlier in this thread, vbulletin.org can open a forum for good coder's and bad coder's.......(something like that). The lounge just doesn't seem the place to share all of this, since people that are new to vbulletin software, aren't sure how it all work's and may miss this thread alltogether.....

hotwheels

[Mythotical]

There is no blame on vb.org as they clearly state in a thread they hold no responsibility for others actions nor the members of vb.org when dealing with service requests.

So the only person that is to blame is the person not doing their homework before hiring someone. I for one always supply proof of past work and contact information for the owners of those sites. So it is partially the coders fault for not offering up that type of information.

[MRGTB]

Originally Posted by lasto

The guy came from vb.org - he advertises in his sig for work - people contact him though the pm system on here so of course its a vb.org problem.
Ok not 100 % their problem but they supplying the platform and the vast amount of customers for these coders to take advantage of.

That's the problem, they're providing the platform for it, but at the same time there posting that they don't want to be involved as well.

[MPDev]

Originally Posted by Steve M

There is no blame on vb.org as they clearly state in a thread they hold no responsibility for others actions nor the members of vb.org when dealing with service requests.

Just because someone says that they aren't responsible doesn't mean that they cannot be held liable.