Suggestions: How to bring vBulletin.org back to what it was before...

[sabret00the]

Originally Posted by noppid

This embodies the whole clique/club attitude that has been destroying this site for years.

Seems like we need more staff changes to make this the "open" development community it is touted as.

Any existing staff members that share this sentiment should leave too for "personal reasons".

that's like saying all nursery nurses and midwives that don't want kids should resign. god forbid that a coder get appointed to the staff and maintain their position on the fact they come to the site primarily to be a part of the community and want to discuss things that revolve around that community on a fundamental level; *shock horror* it's code!

[ubblite]

Originally Posted by Revan

That's a complete and utter load. People still pay for vBSEO don't they?
It is foolish to think that the moment someone will have to pay to advertise their paid hack here, everybody will turn their little 1 liner hack into a paid hack for which the "rent" is larger than the cost of the hack.

"No paid hack discussion" is a thing of the past which will have to end if vBulletin.org is to re-claim the title as the ultimate vBulletin resource, which at the moment it is not.
You didn't see paid hack discussions back in "ye goode olde dayse" because people didn't know they *could* charge for vB hacks.
It's quite moronic to think that the vBulletin coding community is exactly the same as back 5 years ago.

Stop being so narrow minded, please.

I'm sorry if you're unable to comprehend my previous post, and this thread is meant for opinions of which I expressed mine and by flaming others because of your ignorance only makes you look bad.

IMO, my post made sense in that when people shop for bulletin board software one of the things potential customers consider is the features the software offers, and vb.org with all the hacks available for VB looks very good to the buyer when comparing vbulletin to other BB software. However, *IF* many hacks start going the paid route, this can all change when considering the purchase of VB and you have to believe that some of the heads at VB realize this. I for one have no problem with people charging for certain hacks - they have every right to get compensated for their work if they choose, but make sure you also understand the negative impact it can have as well.

[The Geek]

Its always attractive when customers of a product can get free stuff off the backs of others, however in reality, coding large scale modifications for vB has gotten to the point where its more difficult and time consuming for people to give all their time and talent for nothing but the benefit of Jelsofts customers wanting free stuff.

Don't get me wrong, most would like to (I would prefer it that way). Just don't confuse people charging for their hard work with greed. Not everyone can give 20+ hours a week for you to have free enhancements just so Jelsofts products can seem more attractive.

Remember, its not like Jelsoft is giving anything (not even a scrap) to add-on coders. They still have to buy their license just like you do. Developing an add on, then supporting it is a VERY time draining and costly exercise.

However it can be a freaking blast if you get onto a winner! (or is that a wiener?!?)

[Tim Skellett]

Originally Posted by Revan

..."No paid hack discussion" is a thing of the past which will have to end if vBulletin.org is to re-claim the title as the ultimate vBulletin resource, which at the moment it is not.

Just interested: what is supposed to be "the ultimate vBulletin resource" at the moment, if it's not vbulletin org?
Seeing as to how vb org is doing very well indeed even at this time.

[Ohiosweetheart]

Tim there are other resources now... vB-FAQ, vbHackers, vBWebmasters, etc. They are not as big or great as .org, in terms of hacks/mods, styles, etc... but they do make it so that .org is not the only place to go to find vB info, hacks, etc.

[Tim Skellett]

Hiya Ohiosweetheart,
I'm aware of those other resources, and in fact I'm already a member of many of them (either under my real name or under my usual cross-board username of Gurdur), and I think many of them are truly great; yet, with all respect to those others, as far as I can see vb org is the best still, so I was interested in what Devan is saying is now the best if it's not supposed to be vb org anymore -- especially since his argument, that vb org needed paid hacks, hinges on that claim.

[Ohiosweetheart]

ok... sorry

[noppid]

Originally Posted by sabret00the

that's like saying all nursery nurses and midwives that don't want kids should resign. god forbid that a coder get appointed to the staff and maintain their position on the fact they come to the site primarily to be a part of the community and want to discuss things that revolve around that community on a fundamental level; *shock horror* it's code!

To say and live it for one's self is not the same as enforcing it on others. Nice try though.

Another example came when another thread was answered by a staff member exclaiming, why is this conversation still going on, an admin allready commented!

So is that the do all end all? Only an admin can make a suggestion? I understand the admin was asked to "code". However, it could have been pointed out that the member could use the buddy system to achive similar results.

So I suggested it. Thank goodness the thread was still open and we can explore other ideas that don't impose on the admins.

Use the Force Luke. We can come up with better discussions then case closed silliness I hope.

EDIT: (that is not a wayne luke dig)

[amykhar]

1. Exclaiming is an extreme exageration. See any exclamation marks or shouting in the post? No. It was a gentle suggestion that maybe the subject should be dropped instead of hashing over the same request.
2. I'm a person who's been a member of this site since the day it opened. I am allowed to have my own personal vision of what I would like it to be. I understand that it's not going to be that and why, but I'm still allowed to say what it would be in my ideal world. A place where people who code or who are learning to code discuss coding and socialize. I said nothing about exclusive. Tgreer put words in my mouth. And given that he is the one harping about off-topic posts, his objections to my dream of a coding oriented modification site is a bit ludicrous.

I'm sorry you don't like the fact that I like the coder's forum. But, I'm not going to apologize for liking it or for liking to work with other people who like to code their sites. It has nothing to do with cliques or exclusion. It has everything to do with enjoying a forum devoted to a specific topic. I don't care if the people who are in there can barely read an if loop. What I care about is that they are willing to try to take their vision for their site and implement it themselves. THAT'S what keeps me here. People creating unique sites through their own efforts and ideas. It's a fun thing to be a part of.

[TECK]

Originally Posted by sabret00the

... there is no striving for excellence no more, no encouragement, no appreciation of the code, no appreciation of the concepts, everyone just want, and when they don't get they throw tantrums ...

Thank you sabret00the, for this post.
I quoted only a small portion, it must be read entirely to see it's essence.