Where vB is going wrong

[gothicuser]

Originally Posted by Mark.B

I've learned as much as I physically can. I have to work for a living and I don't have the time to learn everything I'd need to know. Running my forum takes several hours a day as it is. There just isn't enough time.

Here's another good example:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost....79&postcount=2

Is there really any need for all that crap about ignore lists?

What the hell is happening to this place?

I could not agree with you more my friend. The almost total arrogance of only one or two of these people really does cast an unneeded shadow here. I am like you, I work hard all week, and spend the vast majority of my spare time caring for my site/community FOR FUN! I enjoy experimenting with mods and themes but normally need some assistance. If I am going to get abused for asking for help then why bother?
I bother because I love vB.:ermm:

p.s. ... :tired:I too have been added to this persons 'ignore list' -- and am glad!:tired:

Psi is a good guy, just a little stressed out lately it would seem.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by zsdave

Reason: The levels use statistics and no way correlate to the ability of the coder (as the status implies) vb.org is currently implicity ranking hacks as to their quality in a way that is completely unreliable.

I disagree. To get to advanced or master, many people need to have installed your work. If the hacks were poor then people would soon realise and either not install, or uninstall, them.

Originally Posted by Lizard King

Sorry to say this but after reading your posts in some threads i don't think you are the right person to comment on this subject because people like you starts everything.

I also think how strong i am

Yes, because your post here:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=106604

Originally Posted by you

Why don't you use search function ?

Is really helping things. Pot, meet kettle. It took me about 2 minutes longer than it did for you to be rude to him to answer his question and move on.

[carpefile]

I'm one of the lowlies that can stumble thru someone else's work and find where I screwed up the install but can't code my way to "hello world".
I appreciate the help I have received from the knowledgable coders here, always freely given, usually with an astonishing level of patience on their part. It has brought me to a level where I can at least look at code and grasp its function.
Its true there can be a certain level of ego and arrogance on the part of the coders, but in my experience, this is true of most anyone knowledgable in their field dealing with someone unknowledgable.
Noobs are to be expected at a tweak/hack/help site such as this, and tolerance and patience on the part of the helpers should be SOP.
The other side of the coin of course is that a certain amount of effort on the part of those seeking help should also be expected, along with the realization that those helping are volunteers, giving their time and knowledge freely.

It is the staff's responsibility to keep things in balance here. Coders need to be able to police their own release threads. The search here is monstrously bloated, and really needs an overhaul. The hack db I keep hearing about is a wonderful idea, will help organize things here immensely.
IMHO, stricter rules need to be in place and rigorously enforced regarding flaming, improper post placement, and laziness with regards to selfhelp.

I have learned so much here, usually by simply reading what has been previously posted. I'd hate to see such a valuable resource as this deteriorate into a leet newb bashing flame pit.

[Lizard King]

Originally Posted by Chris-777

Yes, because your post here:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=106604



Is really helping things. Pot, meet kettle. It took me about 2 minutes longer than it did for you to be rude to him to answer his question and move on.

If someone is not using the search function and posting in the wrong forum there is nothing i can do for them. Everybody in here are nearly forum administrators and we all know that in our own boards we want users to post in related forums or use the search function. Why shall it be different in here ?

Anyway you can continue on your own problems and please don't expect me to join with you.

The main problem is mentioned couple of times in here. People donot act right in vBulletin.org because they think that they need to get help from any other person but first of all they need to help themself by using board features.

I learned a lot about php and coding here at vBulletin.org and if in anyway i can help anyone i always try to help them if it is within my knowledge. If someone is breaking the rules or if someone is not using the forum features i deny to help them because that kind of people has no respect to any other person.

[tehste]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I disagree. To get to advanced or master, many people need to have installed your work. If the hacks were poor then people would soon realise and either not install, or uninstall, them.

well for example uShop. -Full of super globals which are a huge security issue amongst other *sloppy* coding- has alot of installs. Alot of *Popular* hacks are attrociously coded. So installs doesnt correlate to quality.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by zsdave

Alot of *Popular* hacks are attrociously coded. So installs doesnt correlate to quality.

That's just your personal view, others may not agree with it.

I never said installs directly related to quality, but it's a factor - and you need a bit more than 1 hack to get Advanced/Master, even if it has 1000 installs.

[tehste]

Originally Posted by Paul M

That's just your personal view, others may not agree with it.

I never said installs directly related to quality, but it's a factor - and you need a bit more than 1 hack to get Advanced/Master, even if it has 1000 installs.

It's my personal view obviously! I wouldn't post it if it wasn't. However, it is not *just* my personal view as other people have similar views. The titles are Misleading. Maybe they should be *Popular Coder* Rather than master coder which implies improved coding skills which is *usually* not the case.

Alot of un technical users assume that Master Coder's addons are better coded because of their alleged master coding status. I have seen many Master Coder's addons with sloppy code throughout.

Originally Posted by Paul M

That's just your personal view, others may not agree with it.

I never said installs directly related to quality, but it's a factor - and you need a bit more than 1 hack to get Advanced/Master, even if it has 1000 installs.

And clearly, in my case, more than 30 installs to be a Coder.

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