HotM December

[reality73]

It may be a loosing battle but that does not mean that oppinions do not matter. I don't know about yall but if I was to just go in and cut off a winning part of a poll in the middle of a poll with no rules to back it up my membership would chop my head off does the admin team here even know what spamming is by def:

To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups

Indiscriminately-
1) Not making or based on careful distinctions; unselective
2)Random; haphazard
3)Confused; chaotic
4)Unrestrained or wanton

OK Now correct me if I am wrong but this does not define what was done by Mr. Zero at all. he selected his people that he sent an Email to very carefully from a list of beta testers. That would not be defined as SPAM by any sane minded person. So I to believe that someone needs to take a closer look at the Large mistake that has been made by the Administartion here to Mr. Zero and the other past people that this has been done to.

[Tony G]

I don't know why people are continuing to waste their time arguing about this. It's a rule - no promoting your hack in a HOTM vote. We found out it was happening, and like all the previous cases it was removed. This has not changed - and it won't ever change back for anyone, as it would be unfair on all those other contestants who hacks were removed from the poll for promoting it.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

I would like to add that we already admitted this months actions will win a beauty contest, and that this rule should be more clearly visible, and that we will change that in the next run of the poll. I don't see what is left to fight about it.

PS Nobody's votes got 'reassigned'.
PSS Paying for support should show in less votes by members if they really cared about that.

[The Geek]

Originally Posted by Brad

The hack itself is free, there is a support thread here for user -> user support and the hack author is not required to give any support at all. Lack of support is not grounds for having it removed from the poll.

hehe. Thats classic. I PMed Erwin before I released GARS. I asked him if I could release it here FOC but with a simple request that support questions were done on thevbgeek.com as it is a pain to support huge projects like that in a single thread.

The only reason GARS is a commercial hack now is because he said 'No'. I was told that Support should not be done outside of .org as it is seen as baiting.

Not that I'm complaining now! I just thought I would point out how inconsistent policies are at times. Sadly it takes a bad situation to point these hic ups out

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by The Geek

hehe. Thats classic. I PMed Erwin before I released GARS. I asked him if I could release it here FOC but with a simple request that support questions were done on thevbgeek.com as it is a pain to support huge projects like that in a single thread.

The only reason GARS is a commercial hack now is because he said 'No'. I was told that Support should not be done outside of .org as it is seen as baiting.

Not really related to the HOTM, but that's just plain silly. It's up to the author how they support something. Even the staff support their hacks using external sites (andreas, journal ....).

Originally Posted by Kacela

people who cast votes for ibProArcade have had their votes reassigned to the other hacks

They haven't, that's just a poll display bug in 3.0

[The Geek]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Not really related to the HOTM, but that's just plain silly. It's up to the author how they support something. Even the staff support their hacks using external sites (andreas, journal ....).

Yup - very silly, not related to HOTM but very much related to inconsistant rules being applied willy nilly which seems to be a large portion of the topic.

[Corriewf]

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

Over time, websites evolve to serve their members. Lately there has been a lot of heated discussion about commercial hacks and addons for vBulletin and this site. Currently they are not allowed in the forums but a good portion of the membership would like to see them here according to recent polls. What I would like to propose is an equitable solution that hopefully addresses the major issues.

I think since precedents are being utilized to rationalize actions taken by one mod here, then certain other precedents should be taken into consideration. The above logic applies here.

The people have spoken. Reset the poll while there is plenty of time left. Make an announcement to let everyone know that the poll has been reset and close the announcement.

If you are a fan of simplicity then you would implement the above.

[Feckie (Roger)]

Originally Posted by Corriewf

I think since precedents are being utilized to rationalize actions taken by one mod here, then certain other precedents should be taken into consideration. The above logic applies here.

The people have spoken. Reset the poll while there is plenty of time left. Make an announcement to let everyone know that the poll has been reset and close the announcement.

If you are a fan of simplicity then you would implement the above.

Totaly Agree With The Above

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by Corriewf

actions taken by one mod here

It was not the action of a single mod. It has been a team decission (although not all team members where online to participate), and the moderator in question was asked to execute the decission since he had time available.

[Corriewf]

Originally Posted by MarcoH64

It was not the action of a single mod. It has been a team decission (although not all team members where online to participate), and the moderator in question was asked to execute the decission since he had time available.

It was a decision made in haste. Unfortunately this decision is harming the community. Without a community there is no site nor a need for staff.

I may or may not agree with the action taken by a staff member here however there is a public outcry for its reversal. There is no public outcry or even a single member to support the action as of yet.

The numbers add up.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

I was only replying to you stating this was the action of a single Moderator.

[Corriewf]

May I also add that the team decision was made after the fact. But this really does not bear any impact to the issue at hand.

Originally Posted by MarcoH64

I was only replying to you stating this was the action of a single Moderator.

I understand, but its redundant at this point. It doesnt matter who made it or why. I will go out on a limb and say at face value it was the best decision at the time, but that time has passed and now the situation is different.


The end goal here is to maintain a community which is what the rules support via core values. Should the rules not support the communitie's core values then they should be revised. Since the rule in question is implied (not written), then it's revision should be quite efficient and pleasing to the overall community.

[Tony G]

You seem to completly forget about all the other times this happened. Why whinge now? Why this one? Nothing was different and nothing has changed in our decision. And this decision was not made in haste or in the heat of the moment. It was discussed with the staff AND the hack author. And I'm sorry, but a few vocal members does not represent the community - we have 110,000 members, and you are like the angry mothers of the community.

All the other hack authors who have had this happened to them are of course upset, but they understand and get over it. I think some of you should just do the same. We are aware the rule wasn't that clear but we had enforced it before so it is not completly oblivious to the "community"

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by Corriewf

May I also add that the team decision was made after the fact.

Could i aks on what (wrong) info you base that assumption?

Originally Posted by Corriewf

I understand, but its redundant at this point. It doesnt matter who made it or why.

If it doesn't matter, then why you posted that it was a decission by a single moderator.

For the rest see my answer a few posts back.

[Paul M]

Maybe you should install the little hack that allows you to close a thread but continue to vote .....