Angry .Orgers

[Brad]

Again lets try to keep discussion on the topic at hand. Everyone has been good about keeping a cool head for the most part and I would like to see this trend continue.

[AN-net]

sorry for the outburst but i am really sick of these people with like 10 posts suddenly being critics who probably do not know how to code a page of html nor what an opening tag of php looks like...

[TyleR]

Originally Posted by AN-net

sorry for the outburst but i am really sick of these people with like 10 posts suddenly being critics who probably do not know how to code a page of html nor what an opening tag of php looks like...

So true..

But gawd, gone like 3 hrs, come back and there's 3 more pages than when I left :surprised:

Anyways, my views if I need it that badly, i'll pay for it..coders here are very good at what they do and dont have every second of every day to support things for free..its like asking for free hosting then getting mad when your site is down 90% of the time..

[high]* TyleR throws Booby a dollar
[/high]

Now be nice!

[cinq]

Originally Posted by KW802

It doesn't really matter what any of us "appreciate" or not. What's happening is that this is just turning into a re-hash of the last thread from when this topic came up with nothing new coming out of it. Some people don't see a problem with it, some people do see a problem with it and the staff guys/gals are taking it all under advisement.

Well, in case you do not see it, I am merely trying to keep this ontrack so that something new and good can come out of this thread because it is something that interests me, as well as something of benefit to the community at large, whatever the outcome, if any ( the very idea of the discussion taking place ).

[AN-net]

reminds me of people critizing my support policy of deny for any reason at any time. um i did it for free, dont i have a right to my life outside of this hack?

[KW802]

Originally Posted by cinq

Well, in case you do not see it...

I see it very well, thank you. I also saw it the last time it came up.

[eXtremeTim]

Originally Posted by Boofo

Lighten up, Tim, you're taking this all too serious.

dude I have been talking with you on msn and you watched me say lol to you there. You know my comment was sarcasm.

Originally Posted by AN-net

the community has recently gotten very violent. i feel the community is becoming overcrowded with +++++++s. anyone see that new store i think its "Ultimate Shop", that poor guy is being flogged by +++++++s who do not appreciate his time in trying to create a store but instead yell at him calling his hack pitiful. they continue to insult UShop. i really see why some have gone commercial, this community is slowly becoming full of +++++++s who say give me give me but if it doesnt satisfy them 100% they have a right to piss all over it. they seem to think "oh i paid for vbulletin, so if a free hack doesn't satisfy me i will scream and yell as though i paid for it." actually even this has carried over to the .com, people screaming and yelling at devs. critizing them with snide remarks and +++++++ comments. what i really feel like saying to these +++++++s is "++++ off you little greedy +++++, go to phpbb if you want something for free."

RIGHT ON.

[The Geek]

From my viewpoint I feel that the following points are valid:

• There is a lack of appreciation from some members here
• That lack of appreciation can lead to projects becoming abandoned or taken commercial
• Once commercial, they are (for a large part) abandoned on this site
• This leads to large contributors not being around as much
• This leads to more .ogres here

Yea, my math is skewed, but its just another way of looking at it!
The way .org is set up now leads to a natural culling of a lot of talent around here however it doesn't cull the negative users at all. If you cant see this crimps a lot of potential quality for add ons, then my name is Olivia Newton John.

Look how all the massive projects are either getting abandoned or going commercial. It all results in the same thing: They wont be on .org anymore which in turn makes this less and less of a useful resource for vbulletin customers.

Yes, there will always be great FOC additions released here regardless of any change in rules. There will always be coders who catch the vb bug and go crazy releasing and supporting stuff FOC. There will always be content here for free. However it is my opinion that Jelsoft needs to change .org to better suit its customers.

Jelsoft should take every opportunity to provide its customers (and even more importantly: its potential customers) a showcase for what their product can do. Most people do not buy a forum system simply to run a vanilla installation - most buy because they can morph it visually and functionally. Right now, the only showcase for Jelsoft is .org which:
Is running an outdated version of vBulletin
Only allows FOC add ons
The add ons are frequently littered with 'this sucks, doesn't work' posts, half finished projects or totally abandoned projects
Frequently 'hobby' level modifications (nothing wrong with that - but if your looking for something massive, you can be hard pressed to find it here)

Basically, its not the resource and service the Jelsoft could be offering.

Solutions?

Awhile back (before I switched to the dark side and went commercial) I remember Wayne suggesting a fee for being listed in a commercial section of the site. I was not for this as its just a cost that gets passed on to customers and makes it difficult for people to make a progression from hobbyist to capitalist
However I see no other way to do it. Its only fair all around. If someone cant afford (within reason) to be 'listed' because no one buys their stuff - then its generally a sign that the product sucks, support sucks or the idea sucks. Therefore its not as valuable for Jelsoft customers.

The old doomsayers need to look to the future and what could benefit all vBulletin users best. Offering people a place to look for commercial scripts is not going decay the amount or quality of offerings FOC here. Oddly enough - with no commercial options - that is already happening.

[Hanif]

Right on Geek, !!!!

Couldnt have said it better !!!! Look at the quality product offered by filburt(vBulletin Mail for Users) again a classic example of why this product I think should be offered here.

There are other products listed here as well. Above all the community needs to mature and appreciate that not everyone wants a FREE hack, if someone has got the $$$ but not the time, heck they'll pay for it rather than waiting eons for something to come up.

And lets not forget if this site is the ultimate resource for vb then to be honest I think its lacking a bit. Surely the ultimate resource is not just focused on freebies? Surely, we need to move on from coders who advertise their sites via signatures and offer them an outlet for them to express their products. That shows a community growing in size that offers a number of services from free scripts, one time donation's to commercial scripts.

Kindest regards

Hanif

p.s. In no way am I a sales man for filburt or geek, but I recognise their talents and greatly admire the work!!!

[Colin F]

Originally Posted by The Geek

Most people do not buy a forum system simply to run a vanilla installation - most buy because they can morph it visually and functionally.

See this (vB.com):

Originally Posted by Steve Machol

Actually it's the opposite. About 90-95% of our customers never modify the code at all. Relatively very few people are coders and even fewer want to mess with the code of the software they are using.

The truth is the hackers are more visible and vocal because they are constantly making changes and looking for new this to do with vB. This is not good or bad. I just wanted to point out that the hackers are a small - but nonetheless important - minority of our overall customer base.

While I assume that a bigger part 'morph it visually', there are still a ton of forums that run the default style, simply replacing the logo or possibly adjusting colors.