Regarding the vBHosting Hack

[Dark Shogun]

Originally Posted by forum4games

Well as Invision 2 is not out yet it is hard for me to test it and see if that is still the case. But I will be (as I like the option of not being forced to buy it, tons of free skins and Invision doesn't dictate what hacks I can use!)

Yeah but you have to be licensed to get staff support.

Dark Shogun

[PlenoJure]

Originally Posted by forum4games

So going by that, would I not be violating your license to have other admins and mods on my forum?! They can access my forum and are non license holders!

I'm wondering this myself, while this seems to be a ridiculous statement, it seems thats where it's going. I would like to see an official comment making it clear as to just how that part of the license should be read. Based on this I'm almost tempted to remove the admins from my board until this is settled.

[Reeve of shinra]

There's some ambiguity here, but I believe as liscence holder in this context means the site of your forum.

Under the law (at least here in the US), corporations are considered entities with certain rights associated with people and as such entities are sometimes refered to in that sence. I believe in this case, using the same logic, a website would be considered an entity.

In contracts that I have seen with similiar language, there is usually a clause that states the 'services' being provided cannot be resold or provided to persons not with the customer organazition... yadda yadda yadda.

Of course, I may be wrong, only jelsoft can say for sure...

[forum4games]

Originally Posted by Dark Shogun

Yeah but you have to be licensed to get staff support.

Dark Shogun

well then it is a good thing I've never had a need for their support

[Dark Shogun]

Then that brings up the question of what if I have a network of sites and have the same board for all of those sites and have different mods, supermods, and admins for each said site.

Dark Shogun

[SpeedStreet]

Wow...this is about the quickest I have seen a thread propogate!

Wayne, I handle copyright law all the time. There are some gray areas that may have to be dealt with (specifically the automation), but the user database, post database and everything else function off of one license. vBHosting does not grant each user their own vBulletin license, nor access to all of the features of an Admin. Simply put, it just gives our Moderators a bit more control than vBulletin saw fit to do.

I hope that instead of issuing a declaration from on high, vBulletin will look at this hack and work with the developer to ensure a great hack that adds even more functionality to an already stellar product. I for one see a great chance to allow my moderators the ability to design their own subforums, and to have access to ban people (using access masks) from their part of the site.

Please....don't jump the gun on this one.

[colicab-d]

Funny i saw this coming............ ho hum

[Silverdawn222]

Originally Posted by SpeedStreet

Wow...this is about the quickest I have seen a thread propogate!

Wayne, I handle copyright law all the time. There are some gray areas that may have to be dealt with (specifically the automation), but the user database, post database and everything else function off of one license. vBHosting does not grant each user their own vBulletin license, nor access to all of the features of an Admin. Simply put, it just gives our Moderators a bit more control than vBulletin saw fit to do.

I hope that instead of issuing a declaration from on high, vBulletin will look at this hack and work with the developer to ensure a great hack that adds even more functionality to an already stellar product. I for one see a great chance to allow my moderators the ability to design their own subforums, and to have access to ban people (using access masks) from their part of the site.

Please....don't jump the gun on this one.

Best post I've read in this entire thread. It truly is a great hack, and as you can see Mr. Luke's strong language has worked counterproductively. Support the creativity, it's what Vbulletin as a community has thrived upon as well. I'm completely going with SpeedStreet on this one.

[nighteyes]

Originally Posted by Silverdawn222

Best post I've read in this entire thread. It truly is a great hack, and as you can see Mr. Luke's strong language has worked counterproductively. Support the creativity, it's what Vbulletin as a community has thrived upon as well. I'm completely going with SpeedStreet on this one.

Agree with both of you entirely.

[jluerken]

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

If they are using vBulletin and do not have written permission from Jelsoft Pty. Ltd. (the only holders of the vBulletin copyright, vBulletin-germany.com is just a reseller without authority to change the license agreement) and they are using an automated or semi-automated system to do it, then yes I am.

LoL.
This script did already exist in a version for vb2 and many many big sites used it in the past. They made their own additions or changes to it and I am sure they will also use it in vb3.

If this is illegal then maybe we should start a list here which pages are using such a system and then see how Jelsoft acts on this.

Btw. as the author said this script is a major addition to vb3 and gives more power to it, nothing else.
Take a look on scripts like Photopost or Hivemail which are also own scripts and can be connected to vb3.
Looks like this is ok and needs no investigation cause hey, who wonders, all the guys know each other

Be consequent for those scripts then also or let the authors do their work.
At the moment they like vb3 and work on it but they can also switch to other software if this is not longer wanted.
Infopop did the same and take a look where they're now. From the BB Market leader to the last on the market in two years.

So please Wayne be fair end let the author show how powerful vb3 is and what for things can be done with it. This hack is a good advertisement for Jelsoft cause it brings more people to vb3.