More staff leave vB....

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

Did You bother reading Kens post UK. Facts in there, no speculation. bamasomething stated he put 10,000 in closer to 20,000 (like i stated in the post where i said people have ploughed 10s of thousands, to which you said and we've not had any members thats spent 10s of thousands of $/? on their forums voice any concern There's a couple in this thread right now and I can name 20 more who I've worked with who's spent more. You really need to start reading before replying uk.

So, your speculating yourself. The whole problem is communication and the lack of (try reading at vb.com) lack of.

It's clearly showing now it's doom and gloom for you. People are expressing their concerns which I did say to you earlier UK. But I guess you glanced at what I wrote also and read what you wanted to read. Again, I'm not concerned, but other people who have ploughed 10s of thousands into their forums and make a living from vbulletin are concerned (granted not all) but enough to be a concern to IB.

Then why don't they email VBulletin.com direct??? Why think that members on a modification forum will know the answers??

The old saying goes, No news is good news!! perhaps the reasons that VB.com have not said anything is probably because theres not a problem in their eyes.

As i said earlier I was shocked when Tata Bought Landrover but things have actually improved, so you need to give it a chance.

.......and I have been reading, but what people have posted most of it is assumptions and pure speculation, take all that away and we're left with a half empty thread I have been reading the Posts, especially by BamaStangGuy

Since I have been PermaBanned on vBulletin.com because they didn't like my opinion on Internet Brands I guess I'll have to post over here.

Internet Brands is ruining vBulletin. There are so many reasons to avoid using vBulletin due to Internet Brands, ESPECIALLY if you make a living off of running forums like I do or just care about the company you are purchasing software not having a ridiculous advantage to suppress your forum.

From what i see he hates IB and will stop at nothing to flame Vb, thus creating Panic and worry amongst the VB.org members. Thats why apart from genuinely concerned members who were concerned that 4 guys left Vb, now its created a panic senerio. He was banned On VB.Com for his views and he's doing it here also.

What is this thread actually achieving?? with so many different thoughts and inputs, coming into play

How about we simplify things a bit and do a list of what we know as fact, what has happened at VBulletin, Starting 1. , then 2., etc.

I'll Start..

1. 4 Guys left VBulletin
2. (Feel free to add!)



And then when we have proof direct from VB.com, we can post them here for all to enjoy.

At least we won't have pages and pages to read through, with alot of thought, but no real proof.

Just an idea :up::down:

[Shelley_c]

I'll tell you why UK, because I myself am not concerned. Like I stated and have stated numerous times in this thread. It's the customers privilege and right to show concern. To collaborate with one another that's why this thread was created? And the attempt in closing it is clearly showing that this type of discussion is not wanted.

The no news is good news is pure nonsense uk and you know it. It may not be bad news, but you cannot rely on a quoted myth to answer questions fundamental to the concerned users. It's really that simple I'm afraid.

What's this thread achieved, well, like many other threads nothing and everything (if we are both talking in riddles) but I can't get why your getting so upset about it UK when people are merely just discussing and showing their concerns.

Originally Posted by uk

How aout we simplify things a bit and do a list of what we know as fact, what has happened at VBulletin, Starting 1. , then 2., etc.

I'll Start..

1. 4 Guys left VBulletin
2. (Feel free to add!)



And then when we have proof direct from VB.com, we can post them here for all to enjoy.

At least we won't have pages and pages to read through, with alot of thought, but no real proof.

Just an idea

That is not an idea, that is you trying to dictate the path of this chat and your not even the OP. You had no problems with the people who haven't shown concern yet you have with the ones that do? Why is that UK? Now again, read Kens posts he explains very well his concerns and that should be the end of that without the need of people coming in making accusations of scaremongering.

If people are concerned allow then this right (and I did try to tell you earlier in this thread uk).

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

I'll tell you why UK, because I myself am not concerned. Like I stated and have stated numerous times in this thread. It's the customers privilege and right to show concern. To collaborate with one another that's why this thread was created? And the attempt in closing it is clearly showing that this type of discussion is not wanted.

The no news is good news is pure nonsense uk and you know it. It may not be bad news, but you cannot rely on a quoted myth to answer questions fundamental to the concerned users. It's really that simple I'm afraid.

What's this thread achieved, well, like many other threads nothing and everything (if we are both talking in riddles) but I can't get why your getting so upset about it UK when people are merely just discussing and showing their concerns.



That is not an idea, that is you trying to dictate the path of this chat and your not even the OP. You had no problems with the people who haven't shown concern yet you have with the ones that do? Why is that UK? Now again, read Kens posts he explains very well his concerns and that should be the end of that without the need of people coming in making accusations of scaremongering.

If people are concerned allow then this right (and I did try to tell you earlier in this thread uk).

I have read Kens Post

The original staff leaving vBulletin isn't all that surprising to me. They probably had everyone under contract to stick around and help with the changing of ownership. But once that contract is up, they can cash their checks and leave, which I think is fine but a little transparency would have helped a great deal. Censoring your customers doesn't help either.

Speculation

The Original Poster Posted that 4 guys Left VB, BamaStangGuy is stating that he hates IB and is starting to get Very Negative about VB in general, That has nothing to do with the original poster.

Read the Thread from the begining and see before BamaStangGuy posted who has stated that they are not bothered that 4 guys left ?? Its the way comapnies are at the moment, nothing personal, I was shocked when Woolworths shut, Where will i get my christmas lights this year!!

[Burnt]

Is the same dude thats been in charge since 3.6, 3.7 and 3.8 still in charge or did he leave to? If he's still there replacing coders shouldn't matter since the head honcho would still be directing them in the direction they were going with the other coders.

Now if the head guy has changed or someone took his place cause he retired or some BS. Then I could be worried. I look at it like video games.. Red Alert from Westwood was amazing. Then Westwood got bought out and had new bosses.. The game now sucks balls compared to where it was. (SCREW YOU EA)

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Burnt

Is the same dude thats been in charge since 3.6, 3.7 and 3.8 still in charge or did he leave to? If he's still there replacing coders shouldn't matter since the head honcho would still be directing them in the direction they were going with the other coders.

Now if the head guy has changed or someone took his place cause he retired or some BS. Then I could be worried. I look at it like video games.. Red Alert from Westwood was amazing. Then Westwood got bought out and had new bosses.. The game now sucks balls compared to where it was. (SCREW YOU EA)

I know that feeling Burnt

Anyway if you guys pop over to VB.com, Then you'll see that Ray Morgan has posted an update about vB4

There are currently more people working on vBulletin that at any time in the product's history, and the pace is intense. We are moving as fast as a software project of this size can move.

In parallel with the template porting describe above, we have decided to also take some extra time to beef up some aspects of the CMS, which we feel is a wise investment of time.

More to come as events unfold...

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311720

Sounds good to me

[Shelley_c]

I'll carry on chatting in here Uk, There's no rules that are broken and again you cannot forcefully direct people to another site. I don't post at vb.com. And there's nothing in the way of anything being told in that link so the concerned will carry on doing that. being concerned.

The future of vbulletin is still just that also, a mystery. But again, not concerned. I don't think I've mentioned the word concerned so much in my life without actually being concerned.

*wonders how amy whinehouse is fairing up*

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

I'll carry on chatting in here Uk, There's no rules that are broken and again you cannot forcefully direct people to another site. I don't post at vb.com. And there's nothing in the way of anything being told in that link so the concerned will carry on doing that. being concerned.

The future of vbulletin is still just that also, a mystery. But again, not concerned. I don't think I've mentioned the word concerned so much in my life without actually being concerned.

*wonders how amy whinehouse is fairing up*

Feel free to chat, I'm not forcing people to look at the VB.com forum althought its VBulletins main forum where all the Important announcements are made concerning VBulletin. Its a bit silly for people that are so concernered, to not view all the latest updates, so not sure why your saying i'm forcing people to view it, thats just being silly

As opposed to VBulletin.org which is mainly a modification forum, and no one here has all the right answers.

Anyway it was nice for Ray to add an update, even though you won't want to read it i was posting the link for the majority of Members.

[Chimpie]

I agree with Shelley. Every vB license holder has the right to be concerned and voice their opinions, whether it be here, vB.com or elsewhere.

I, too, worry about what vB is going to going forward. I do hope the build on their current success and enhance their product.

What does surprise me is that those customers who have spent $10k+ on their forums will spend the next few months worrying about what will happen, but won't drop a couple of grand to fly out to El Segundo, California to talk to Internet Brands management.

If I had that much money invested in a product that I use as a source of income, and four of the top developers left the company, you better believe my butt would be on a plane flying out there to meet with their reps to figure out what is going on.

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Chimpie

I agree with Shelley. Every vB license holder has the right to be concerned and voice their opinions, whether it be here, vB.com or elsewhere.

I, too, worry about what vB is going to going forward. I do hope the build on their current success and enhance their product.

What does surprise me is that those customers who have spent $10k+ on their forums will spend the next few months worrying about what will happen, but won't drop a couple of grand to fly out to El Segundo, California to talk to Internet Brands management.

If I had that much money invested in a product that I use as a source of income, and four of the top developers left the company, you better believe my butt would be on a plane flying out there to meet with their reps to figure out what is going on.

I agree with that also, people have a right to be concerned, so by looking at VB.com and getting the right answers to address your concerns is the correct way forward, likewise for the guys that have spent 10s of thousands of dollars on their forums, getting the Answers from VBulletin direct is the best answer as oppose to 3rd party speculation and assumptions.

Carry on being corncered it it makes you feel better but reading what Ray stated on VB.com certainly lifted a big weight off my shoulders.

[Shelley_c]

UK - I read what ray posted i said I never posted, not that I never look/read threads. There was nothing definite in that post. I even quoted most of it, so, how could I have ignored it? Again, your really reading into things you that you want to read into.

He did not give any dates, not even any in depth info (about 15 lines) come on. Your now insulting my intelligence. Even chimpie got what I said, and what I'm saying.