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I'm sorry, i just find it a waste of time to argue about making the coder's forum public. Coders sometimes would like to discuss things among coders. Take away that forum, people will just pm each other. Either way, some things are best discusssed amongst you would like to discuss them with. Nothing you guys say or do can obligate a member to post things to the public.
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That is what this is about, treating all license holders as equals. I cannot for the life of me comprehend why anyone in this organization would segregate it's customers or support any kind of closed discussion that is intended to be open in the big picture for the benefit of the customers. Quote:
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we're not all equal here.. I can't code and I have no desire to have access to the coders forum. If they need or want a place to talk among themselves, let them have it.. who cares?
Just think of the coding forum as a private forum for those who help with the site by releasing code, just as the moderators have a private forum for those who help with the site by doing whatever they do. |
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As another example, say that the administrator of very large forums like TAZ or some other board joined you forum. Would you immediately give him access to the Mod/Admin forums just because he knows how to administrate a forum? This is no different, beyond the fact that it's easier to attain Coder status on this forum than it is to become Administrator on most forums. Quote:
Example; vBShout. Brad released the fix for the security issue there. Was this issue made public? Was explicit code posted as to how you could exploit this? I think not. If that was so, then a hacker would have to do nothing more than to ally himself with a licenced member of this forum and thus have potentially thousands of forums available for exploiting. It seems to me like you are saying that potential revenue lost for hundreds, maybe even thousands, are less worth than the idea that coders should not gain any benefits even though they spend up to years of their time coding solely for the benefit of this community. Because to me, that sounds pretty damn retarded. Whereas with a coders forum, vulnerabilities could be discussed amongst those that would be less prone to exploit them - after all they themselves could be in the same boat at one point... I just don't see where having a public discussion about it would be beneficial. Security vulnerabilities should be private at all times (by this I mean the specifics, and POC (Proof Of Concept) code, not the fact that there is a vulnerability), and reported to the vendor as soon as possible. If the vendor is unable/unwilling to provide a fix, 3rd parties should come up with a fix, in this case in the form of Staff updates. Never should POC code be posted public, because of abovementioned exploit possiblilties. Surely you must see how posting such code public would cause a severe loss of revenue or data? Quote:
I think you might be misunderstanding what forum we are talking about. I am talking about the Coders Discussion forum where coders discuss things that are of no value to newbies or learners. Quote:
Not to mention how the fact that this is the official site for vBulletin modifications has no relevance whatsoever to whether or not there should be a coders discussion forum or not. For the kind of users like you, who feel that it's wrong for coders to get a small bit of recognition for their work, I would say "drop your communist attitude and realise this isn't the Soviet Union". Quote:
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What Im saying is what I wrote in the above post, what would you do if an administrator of WebHostingTalk joined your forum and demanded to be an Admin (even if you don't need admins) just because he knows how to administrate forums? Would you, like I said, give a shit about his experience? If they are so goddamn excellent at coding, why don't they release something? Quote:
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To everybody who is going to argue this post, please actually answer my quotes in their fullest, instead of cutting out bits and forming your own idea of what I said. Read the message. Read the message. Read the message. It is becoming increasingly difficult not to insult people who can't seem to read a message in context, and I don't know how much longer I can go on. And the minute I pop, the thread gets closed. And if the thread gets closed, you'll have to repeat your counterproven statements in a new thread. Nobody wants that, ok? |
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Revan, I'd respond to your latest, but really can't keep a straight face long enough. I see all the same problems: A private Coders Discussion, with no compelling reason for it to be private. This serves to create attitudes like those clearly in evidence in this thread, causes the "public" coding forums to receive little attention, and puts undue emphasis on the "competing for Installs" amateur coding mentality vs. the true hacker coding ethic of open discussion. A moderation staff that barely moderates, and who in fact seem to be responsible for most of the inane chatter that goes on, and who've never established and don't enforce professional standards of communication and conduct. While you cannot enforce lucidity or rational thought, you could at least do something about profanity and off-topic comments. Until JelSoft gets the house in order here, they shouldn't refer people to this site. |
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