Important: It is all about trust

[amykhar]

I amnot staff, Livewire. I am the one who pitches a quiet fit in a pm to Stefan or Erwin if I think a staff member has been unfair to you guys. And, you know that I like you and we have worked together on mods before. I have no reason to dissemble on this.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by amykhar

Ya know, if Paul hadn't posted in the thread, his name never would have come up as being the offender.

Maybe because Paul had nothing to hide - the code was not some big secret - it had been freely discussed a number of times. This has been blown so far out of proportion it's beyond a joke. A simple PM a few weeks ago (when you supposedly were discussing this) would have been all that's required. I have always checked that what i do here doesn't break any rules, and this did not. I'm sorry but I'm now convinced that this involves personal issues, as there's just no other explanation for the fuss being made (even removing the hotm now, wtf is that about).

[cd1986]

Quite frankly, it would be a lot better to close this thread. The new policy is a fair one. The install-link conundrum is a non-issue really, especially since it doesn't even work properly in most instances! Therefore a blanket ban on such things is no cause for concern, and avoids the possibility of the slippery-slope argument.

The staff line of view will conflict with that of the coders sometimes (that's just an example, it applies to all ) - that's just life, learn to accept it. It's painful to see people squabbling over nothing, some even leaving because of disagreements. It's everyone's responsibility to keep the community atmosphere positive. It doesn't help if people feel the need to retaliate to every comment made.

[MPDev]

Mods, Thank you for bringing this to our attention and taking action to ensure the integrity of the system which so many users are dependent on.

[Logikos]

@Amy
I don't mean to sound like I'm taking my fustrations out on you as I'm not. I like you and we have done work together in the past. I have nothing agaist you persoanlly. Though you do have certains rights to forums in which we can't see so that gives you both sides of the story.

I persoanly think a simple PM would have been more approaitate. Paul has nothing to hide, he has said it himself, Stefan stated that no one was breaking any rules. Theres a new rule? Okay great thats fine and I have no problem with this new rule, please understand that. I just have a problem on how things come off as personally attacks. Can you honesly sit here and tell me that never once the staff persoanlly attacked a members? In private or public?

Come one now, I'm not stupid. I've been here a long time and managed to meet and make alot of nice people. Some staff, some coders, others are regular members. I hear about what goes on around here quite often, whether it be IRC, IMs, Emails, or on my forums.

[Xenon]

Originally Posted by LiveWire

Stefan stated that no one was breaking any rules. Theres a new rule? Okay great thats fine and I have no problem with this new rule, please understand that. I just have a problem on how things come off as personally attacks.

I fully agree with you Ken. But unfortunatelly, it's not only that personal attacks are there, but also that things are taken personally when they are not.

In the first post noone mentioned a single username. Most names came out, because users did actually feel offended, and tend to lead into personal attacks then.

It's a pitty, that the current situation is very instable here, that's why i'd like to ask everyone, to think twice before posting anything. That counts for staff as well as for all users.

It's never one side alone, there are always two sides of a story....

[bashy]

Hi peeps....Just finally read this all the way through...wow what a load of cackling....

I knew nothing of this "install code" and if i know nothing of that what else do
i know nothing about? It just goes to show, that if you dont know anything about
coding that you could be leaving yourself wide open.

I have installed hundreds of hacks in good faith and not had and security issues
as yet /me touches wood all i ask is to be told about any extra that i am installing?

As i have said before, you peeps do a great job with ya coding.
Now leave the staff to do thiers, surely you all know how hard it can be to
staff a forum and to be honest i dont think half the posts in this thread is really
helping....

If anyone actually thinks that they fall into this threads catergory then do
something about it, modify ya code and /or state it in the 1st post, this to me
is all that needs doing or have i misread?

[Floris]

I knew nothing of this "install code" and if i know nothing of that what else do
i know nothing about? It just goes to show, that if you dont know anything about
coding that you could be leaving yourself wide open.

Which is exactly why the vBorg staff took the concerns they've received and turned it into a new policy, because they believe that it breaks that trust. How harmless as it might seem the intention and result from it might do more then initially intended.

[amykhar]

Ken,
One other problem is that staff has to go through all the mods to determine who all is doing this. That's why no PMs at this point to people using this code. Posting the new policy and giving a grace period to clean up the code just seemed the smarter thing to do. It gave people a chance to remove the problem without being called on the carpet.

[Vitz]

I'm not sure but, for some reason I think you were better off keeping this quiet. It may give people idea's, as I hadn't even thought of the possibilty yet before reading this :/

But yeah, it's good you guys are cracking down on it. These things should not be distributed.