HotM December

[KimmiKat]

I agree. This month's HotM should be stricken, and a fresh start in Janurary. Or pull v3Arcade from the poll and let the other 3 be voted on and have special poll just for the arcade hacks.

Originally Posted by nexialys

i'm with rjordan with that...

i think that this flaming have gone too far, and this HotM thing is now out because there is now a serious lack of support/answers from the staff...

i really think that the vb.org guys need to interact a lot more when some decisions like that are taken... that would be a simple proof of Real Public Relations...

EDIT: oh, and i think of this... if vb.org guys are too occupied or absent for the season, maybe a GOOD announcement is welcome here... because i think they deserve their vacations, but actually we're not aware of any, so a lot of other guys will continue arguying with no echoes.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by KimmiKat

I agree. This month's HotM should be stricken, and a fresh start in Janurary. Or pull v3Arcade from the poll and let the other 3 be voted on and have special poll just for the arcade hacks.

This would not be fair to the author of v3arcade.

I need to also point out that my use of the phrase "Unwritten rule" was not correct. The rule does exist and has been viewable by the public for a long time now:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/rules.php?

1.3 No "Spamming": Please do not double post or cross-post the same message in multiple forums. You will not mass-PM or mass-email multiple members of this site the same message. You will not post for the sake of increasing your post count or hack count.

The actions that would be taken (removal from the HOTM poll) was not something the public was aware of. As I've said before we will make sure everyone is aware of that next month.

Yes other hack authors have been removed from the poll (some before it was even posted) due to the same thing. Again we don't pick on certain people while letting others slide for the same thing.

[Regs]

You will not mass-PM or mass-email multiple members of this site the same message.

You should remove the ability to PM more than one user then on this site. The whole feature is to send the same message to more than one member

In any event, you still apparently refuse to apologise to the coder in question for shooting first and asking questions later. He's explained several times whom the PMs were sent to.

[Brad]

I am aware of the authors actions and I am speaking to him in private.

[GoTTi]

Booorrrrrrriiinnnnnnggggggg

[Jenta]

You will not mass-PM or mass-email multiple members of this site the same message

There's a setting in your admincp under usergroups to set a maximum number of recipients you know. Why even have that rule?

[pspcrazy]

Originally Posted by GoTTi

Booorrrrrrriiinnnnnnggggggg

Look brad, seriously . This hotm is corrupted. If my hack was in here i personally wouldnt want to win. It would be a i won because the better hack got removed, or i won in a totally unfair vote. Literally ibproarcade was unwarned. From what i have experienced on my forums, when you want to kick some one or warn him you either warn him using infernos hack OR you pm him a warning to stop. Now youll say: but what if he has already pmed it to all his hacks installers? Well heres the answer to that , its NOT his fault if he did. Theres NO rule saying he cant. Mabye tamarians hack got removed and mabye he KNEW that rule. But the maker of this arcade didnt. That makes this a curropt poll. From what im reading i also know th admins of this site are stubborn fools , that cant bring them self to either apoligize for their mistakes of not posting the rules, and further more they just dont want to feel they did something wrong. Seriously if you dont want to cancel this hotm, remove the OTHER arcade. That way the other two guys left cna have a fair vote. And then have the two arcades for the next one. That way itl be fair for all of these guys. Thats all i would like to say

No hard feeling

-pspcrazy.com

Sorry for the spelling errors im in a hurry.

[nitro]

Originally Posted by Brad

This would not be fair to the author of v3arcade.

I need to also point out that my use of the phrase "Unwritten rule" was not correct. The rule does exist and has been viewable by the public for a long time now:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/rules.php?



The actions that would be taken (removal from the HOTM poll) was not something the public was aware of. As I've said before we will make sure everyone is aware of that next month.

Yes other hack authors have been removed from the poll (some before it was even posted) due to the same thing. Again we don't pick on certain people while letting others slide for the same thing.

So when a hack developer has 2 or more beta testers where the hack is currently in a private beta stage the main coder has to write a completely seperate message to all testers and make damn sure its worded differently else the hack itself is not valid.

Really in four years or more of HotM and there is not a HotM rules page or sticky post, even though similar problems or other problems has arisen in the past. Seems to me you should think about coding the HotM properly as its likely to be quicker done.

ie. Top 3 install count for month is the contenders
Months installs multiplied by average rating == winner, 2nd place and final runner up.

The end, no rules required, no poll required, no way to break rules of the HotM feature itself. No arguments nothing.

A competition with no set rules or guidelines is to be frank ridiculous. I would suggest something like the above if thats the case.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by Jenta

There's a setting in your admincp under usergroups to set a maximum number of recipients you know. Why even have that rule?

That just affects a single send, you can repeat send a PM to different people as many times as you want.

Originally Posted by pspcrazy

Look brad, seriously . This hotm is corrupted. If my hack was in here i personally wouldnt want to win. ......<snip> ...... Seriously if you dont want to cancel this hotm, remove the OTHER arcade. That way the other two guys left cna have a fair vote. .

Why should they remove the other arcade, they did nothing wrong. As for not wanting to win - I think you may view it differently if your hack was in this months vote. If mine was in i'd be more than happy to win. In a few months no one will care how how you won, you will be in the HOTM list and that's all people will see.

[Feckie (Roger)]

1.3 No "Spamming": Please do not double post or cross-post the same message in multiple forums. You will not mass-PM or mass-email multiple members of this site the same message. You will not post for the sake of increasing your post count or hack count.

So Does This Also Mean That Coders are Not Allowed To Pm or Email Members
Who Have Installed There Hacks That There As been An Update......

Good For The Goose Comes To Mind

[pspcrazy]

Originally Posted by Feckie (Roger)

So Does This Also Mean That Coders are Not Allowed To Pm or Email Members
Who Have Installed There Hacks That There As been An Update......

Good For The Goose Comes To Mind

Frankly im not here to argue, last comment before i start working on ym site, which needs more attention right now. The reason i would want to remove the other ack, is so that we know whic arcade is TRUELY better lol. The one with paid support or not. Also if v3 wins its obvious his hack of the monthis going to benefit him. for a free hack hotm is a personal satisfaction, for a premium hack hotm is more customers and something to refer to when some one says which is hould install. Please think in all dimensions thanks. Take care

[Jenta]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Why should they remove the other arcade, they did nothing wrong.

I think this needs to be evaluated. A hack with absolutly no support from the author in the release thread. Instead you have to pay 60 dollars to get support in his premium support section on a seperate site. Yes, there is no rule against that now but I still don't see why the staff can't see how bad that situation is and remove it. It's a sad day when the staff lets that type of situation go on.

I really don't know the reason behind Johns actions. Zero releases his hack and John spends 3 sleepless nights rushing to get an incomplete hack out just to spite Zero. The whole affair smells rotten. Btw, how soon we forget what happened to the last arcade John released.

[KimmiKat]

I just shot soda-pop all over the screen reading that comment about not being fair to the v3Arcade author. I'm now reading about this bru-haha on a few other sites now. It's not looking good for vb.org and it has lowered my and many other respect for this place. Just stating my opinion here...

Technically isn't this hack (v3Arcade) an paid hack since it requires a $60 donation for support?

Originally Posted by Brad

This would not be fair to the author of v3arcade.

I need to also point out that my use of the phrase "Unwritten rule" was not correct. The rule does exist and has been viewable by the public for a long time now:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/rules.php?

The actions that would be taken (removal from the HOTM poll) was not something the public was aware of. As I've said before we will make sure everyone is aware of that next month.

Yes other hack authors have been removed from the poll (some before it was even posted) due to the same thing. Again we don't pick on certain people while letting others slide for the same thing.

[tamarian]

Originally Posted by pspcrazy

Mabye tamarians hack got removed and mabye he KNEW that rule. But the maker of this arcade didnt.

I think the only reason my name was volunteered by the admins here is because I was burnt by it twice for the last two months. The first I thought was unfair, similar to this case, and the second was absolutely bogus. But there have been others, as TheGeek mentioned.

But for the record, I didn't complain, and wish MrZero didn't have to go through this. I didn't even want my name to be thrown into this as an excuse by Chris, as it's embarrasing, and implies being a spammer.

But I didn't know about the rules, and still don't know where they are. The given rules mentioned here are about the forum, not the contest, even if we accept that as a definition of spam...

[Brad]

Originally Posted by KimmiKat

I just shot soda-pop all over the screen reading that comment about not being fair to the v3Arcade author. I'm now reading about this bru-haha on a few other sites now. It's not looking good for vb.org and it has lowered my and many other respect for this place. Just stating my opinion here...

Technically isn't this hack (v3Arcade) an paid hack since it requires a $60 donation for support?

The hack itself is free, there is a support thread here for user -> user support and the hack author is not required to give any support at all. Lack of support is not grounds for having it removed from the poll.

Tamarian: your name shouldn't have been mentioned, I'll make sure it doesn't happen again.

The rules I quoted do apply to HOTM begin they take place on the forum, although it seems that wasn't clear to everyone and that will be solved starting next month.