Regarding the vBHosting Hack

[13th_Disciple]

Originally Posted by hypedave

In your case no one is loosing profit. But this hack allows one to Host forums or Co-Host a forum on a one vbulletin install license, wich is what you just admitted to right? So take your same situation to a John doe thats charging like $5 per setup for some person that just wants a lil vb forum, and thats where the problem comes.

I don't think there is anything wrong with asking for a setup fee.. hell, even a recurring fee.. it takes up space, it takes up bandwidth.. and it is also using more server resources.. the way i see it, even if you charge for hosting a sub-forum, it is not like it will be enough from one particular person to afford a vBulletin license..

of course, as a collective whole, the forum hoster may make enough, but people tend to forget, the vast majority can't afford a single license.. so if they only have to pay 5 dollars a month for someone else to bare the burden of server resources, bandwidth and the like, i see no way in hell it would effect anyone including jelsoft since the person could NOT afford a vB license otherwise.. but that is my simple logic from knowing most people can't afford hosting, support and license fees involved in maintaining a vB license themselves..

[Dark Shogun]

Originally Posted by 13th_Disciple

I don't think there is anything wrong with asking for a setup fee.. hell, even a recurring fee.. it takes up space, it takes up bandwidth.. and it is also using more server resources.. the way i see it, even if you charge for hosting a sub-forum, it is not like it will be enough from one particular person to afford a vBulletin license..

of course, as a collective whole, the forum hoster may make enough, but people tend to forget, the vast majority can't afford a single license.. so if they only have to pay 5 dollars a month for someone else to bare the burden of server resources, bandwidth and the like, i see no way in hell it would effect anyone including jelsoft since the person could NOT afford a vB license otherwise.. but that is my simple logic from knowing most people can't afford hosting, support and license fees involved in maintaining a vB license themselves..

Thing about that is it is Jelsoft's and a lot of other peoples policy that if you can't afford the software you don't use the software. THAT's why this hack is being considered because people would get to use the swank features of vbulletin but they aren't paying jelsoft for it but the problem with that logic is, you can do everything that hack does without the hack it just makes it easier with the hack.

Dark Shogun

[Reeve of shinra]

First off, I think some people are giving Wayne a very hard time. Alot of people expressed thier disatisfaction with how things were being handled at vb.org and Wayne took time out to listen to everyones feedback and is in the process of implementing a plan to make things better. This may be jelsofts repsonsibility but he as an individual is still trying to help everyone out. For that alone, he should be given at least common courtesy to do as he said, check the hack to ensure it's not breaking any liscencing agreements.

That said, ... from the moment I first saw the hack, I personally thought it was going against some of the liscencing agreements.

Is it necessarilly a bad thing? No, I dont think so. I've enteretained the idea of starting up a sister forum (which I would buy a liscence for) and I could see alot of benifit to me as an admin if I only had one set of php files to hack and an intergrated user base.

On the other hand, I can see the potential for certain abuses that would go above those of 'personal use'.

As Wayne said earlier, they are looking into the hack so let them do so. If you have a concern, share it, but please quit the whinning. It makes you all sound extremely immature and hurts the arguements your putting forth.

[FASherman]

I'd prefer that to sounding like a butt kissing sycophant. :devious:

[twoseven]

welp i thought about adding this to my forum and making it more limited only a few specific users could gain access just because there are items that a few on my forum need to know and not everyone and its easier to do that than make a forum make a custom group add the few people to that group... it just makes it cleaner imo.
i see both sides of the arguement... lets just hope they dont try to limit the power of our forums due to this... it is a fine line that needs to be followed on this

[forum4games]

Originally Posted by mello_mike

Oh well.. Bad enough I have to pay for vB.. then wait 2 years for a new version.. and THEN I can't do want I want with my forum... *sigh*

no doubt! I think I'll switch to the new invision when it comes out!

[forum4games]

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

An investigation is needed because it assigns the right to use vBulletin to none License holders. This violates the vBulletin license and diminishes Jelsoft's copyright on the product.

So going by that, would I not be violating your license to have other admins and mods on my forum?! They can access my forum and are non license holders!

[twoseven]

Originally Posted by forum4games

no doubt! I think I'll switch to the new invision when it comes out!

i've seen some invision boards crumble under intense usage dont know if this has changed or not just something to think about.

[nighteyes]

Originally Posted by forum4games

So going by that, would I not be violating your license to have other admins and mods on my forum?! They can access my forum and are non license holders!

Yep that's basically what he is saying. Should we remove all administrators from our vBulletin installations while this investigation is going on?

[forum4games]

Originally Posted by twoseven

i've seen some invision boards crumble under intense usage dont know if this has changed or not just something to think about.

Well as Invision 2 is not out yet it is hard for me to test it and see if that is still the case. But I will be (as I like the option of not being forced to buy it, tons of free skins and Invision doesn't dictate what hacks I can use!)