XenForo - Has the vBulletin / IPB killer arrived ?

[theFM]

Complete seo can be said as optimisation of all important/most visited pages on the site like forumdisplay / forumhome , showthread needs to be optimised for better usage but wherever i see i see js , js and js , really , the script has nothing more than js to be frankly said , also as it seems it does not have a preset sitemap , nor it has submission tools for submission of content or anything

Even say if SEO is done ok, say better than vb has
What About the Other Things..... which i have stated or which are on your Quote , to be challenged as a "vbulletin killer" , i should prefer the term "IPB" nowdays to term as "Long Term vbulletin Murderer" as It is Simple and Sleek

1 More Note : - Just try to turf off your JavaScript from your Browser and See how much nicer your script will look

[James Birkett]

I'm loving xF software - simple.

[TNCclubman]

someone mentioned vB5 details ie all new coding, simpler... where was this posted?

Also xF looks and kicks major ass. once they get a calender and photo gallery, Im getting on board that bandwagon. The 'Everyone Feed' alone is getting me to buy it.

[x3sphere]

Originally Posted by theFM

Complete seo can be said as optimisation of all important/most visited pages on the site like forumdisplay / forumhome , showthread needs to be optimised for better usage but wherever i see i see js , js and js , really , the script has nothing more than js to be frankly said , also as it seems it does not have a preset sitemap , nor it has submission tools for submission of content or anything

Even say if SEO is done ok, say better than vb has
What About the Other Things..... which i have stated or which are on your Quote , to be challenged as a "vbulletin killer" , i should prefer the term "IPB" nowdays to term as "Long Term vbulletin Murderer" as It is Simple and Sleek

1 More Note : - Just try to turf off your JavaScript from your Browser and See how much nicer your script will look

The script degrades elegantly when JS is turned off, it's a non-issue really. I'm not labeling XF as a vB killer, just pointing out that it's already ahead of vB in certain respects.

Use of JS doesn't hurt SEO, Google sees the page without JS enabled. Users benefit from enhanced usability. It's a win-win.

We haven't seen the admin backend yet, so who knows, a sitemap generator may already be built-in. To me that's a trivial feature though. If not built in someone can easily make a plugin, it's just a matter of generating an XML file with all thread links.

[Spinball]

Originally Posted by Boofo

How can you say it is coded better when they same people coded both vb and Xenforo? That argument is moot.

Oh that's ridiculous. Your credibility just went flying out of the window.

Your argument is like suggesting that the same car designer would produce a modern car which would be no better than one he designed 8 years ago.

Ok for a start, vB3 and now 4 are based on older code which is something in the region of 8 years old. It was originally developed with the current (at the time) php coding technology to fulfil the needs of forum communities in the early 2000's. Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, most social media sites hadn't been invented, yet. The web was still young.
vB4 has evolved from that old code which is now outdated, bloated, inefficient, bodged and well past it's sell-by date.
Given the chance to re-evaluate how a forum community should now work from the ground up, and to code it, from the ground up, with the latest technologies and encompassing what the modern internet user expects and integrating into the latest social media sites, 'the same people' have coded a *completely* different and vastly superior product to vB.

Originally Posted by latch

Maybe if you actually read what you are posting, you would see how you are mis-leading people. Anyways, the only people I actually see using XenForo is new communities or Kier fans.

LOL, when it's available, you'll see plenty of people adopting it irrespective of what they think about Kier. I think you have an agenda of some kind. Can't figure out what it is, though.

Originally Posted by latch

Well, I'm done talking in this thread.

Good.

Originally Posted by latch

P.S. If you are so dissatisfied with vBulletin, stop using it.

I plan to when Xenforo has the features I need.

[x3sphere]

Originally Posted by Spinball

LOL, when it's available, you'll see plenty of people adopting it irrespective of what they think about Kier. I think you have an agenda of some kind. Can't figure out what it is, though.

I get the sense he's miffed over the fact he forked over $200 on a vB suite license after seeing XF and doesn't want to admit it. Can't see why one would be so defensive towards a brand otherwise.

[TNCclubman]

I know. I dont defend something just based on having purchased it. I bought 2 vB licenses and after seeing what xF can do, I cant wait to move on to the next evolution of online media communities. I will still run both vB sites. Just use xF for the 3rd and on. When something better comes along, I'll keep going. I dont get married to 1 particular software. You only buy 1 numbered series of the software anyways.

[James Birkett]

This software isn't a vBulletin killer until we see the final product.

Originally Posted by KURTZ

*Kurtz Likes this post.

I lol'd at the xF reference - good one!

Originally Posted by theFM

hehehe , i will say ... they already have done a nice job for the skin.... rather the default skin of Xen is much better than default of vb , we may customize everything , thats not a matter of concern

The Matter of Concern are : -

Too much of JavaScript usage
Too much of animation tags usage
Really i don't see a Proper CMS , in Action , vb4 had a bad , BUT HAD A CMS to Use
The Use of Widgets are Unavilable
No Additional Feature which will make It a bit different from vbulletin 3/4 ... really to say
No Image Gallery
No SEO Optimisation or use of Chronical URls
No Preset Sitemap Present
No Tagging Option prsent
No FaceBook/Tweeter Integration Feature Like that of vb4
......... these are only a few features

FOR These to develop a be a "vBulletin Killer" .... will take a minimum of 3 - 4 years may be much more remember vbulletin is what you see have done 7 - 8 Years of complete work . and now it is the best in it's market

I will only welcome Xenforo as a Competitive that Kier has made it , and now we will witness a new vb5 , Completely New System , much Simpler and Super ..... thats why i welcome Xen so that vb will now be greater than that

JS usage: Disable JS and it will work great. Also, I don't see the JS affecting page loads by much and it makes the general browsing of the forum much more elegant.

CMS - They have already explained they are working on solid forum software and they have a CMS in mind. Might I add that there's no point building a CMS until there's a solid forum foundation to build it on.

Widgets - It's in its alpha stages, how do you know what they do and do not have in mind?

The easy usage differs from vB. There is also no moderator control panel and all of the controls are in-line which a lot of people prefer.

Image gallery - Again, it is in alpha.

SEO - please go and browse their forum again. www.xenforo.com/community

Sitemap - It could have a built-in sitemap for all we know? Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.

Tagging option? I don't recall vBulletin 4 having this (then again I don't use it).

It does have Facebook integration and it has been suggested that its easy to integrate other social networking sites.

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden

He probably means that with 8+ years of knowledge from the start of coding, they are doing things different then they ever could do with vBulletin where existing code had to be taken into consideration and even the current database design and large number of external applications.

PS Also remember that they where in the team that set the way towards vB4 as it is now.

Exactly. In a few years time, XF might have outdated code and be a lot harder to change. The good thing about XF is that Kier and Mike are the owners and the developers, they have complete control whereas as part of IB they didn't have free rein over the product.

[Lionel]

I was among the ones to be utterly disappointed with vB 4.0. But now I must say that vB 4.0.5 put vB back in the map.

I saw xenForo and it's amazing. I love it's simplicity, which is important to end users. My conclusion? Both vB and xenForo will be strong and both will have their fair share.

Only IPB must be biting their nails now.

[Spinball]

To answer the original question, no, at the moment, Xenforo is certainly not a vBulletin killer because it lacks the features people (like me) will be needing.
However, considering the software has been developed in such a short space of time and has been designed (unlike vBulletin) from the outset to support plugins, and having seen more of Xenforo than most people, I would say that the required features will come thick and fast both from Kier and Mike, and the enthusiastic supporters who will no doubt be coding like crazy when the software is released and documentation available.
So going forward, yes, I think Xenforo has the potential to be the market leader, but it's a fair way down the line, yet.