This is what happens when I get busy. I have three pages of comments to catch up on. So let me try and keep it concise.
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Originally Posted by smacklan
pfft...I work for my local county government and spend lots of time in our jails here...that is no worse than the Juvenile Detention facility we have although a little older looking. Prison is not meant to be a luxury hotel and they do not house your average "misunderstood" citizens.
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Um, isn't that
my point? You said that they live in luxury compared to most of us. I posted the pictures to show it
was, in fact, a prison and
not a hotel. I'm not sure how you got my point turned around there.
Okay, this has been going on all week, and I find the point amusing. The argument is that Obama should not close the Bay because this guy is an example of what can happen if you do. But this guy was released
under the Bush standards of justice for Guantanamo Bay. I underline that, because it makes no sense what's being argued with this guy. He was released because the system we have classified any evidence against him, his interrogation used illegal tactics and the Bush administration deemed him free to go during the heart of his administration. Gitmo needs to be closed because of the flawed system that set him free. It doesn't work, and he's evidence of that. We need a better functioning one that actually yields results and doesn't taint the reputation of the US. It's impossible to know at this point, if Said was even a terrorist before being illegally tortured, or if his experience at Gitmo gave him a reason to hate America.
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Originally Posted by iogames
On this one you're wrong Mark... When a woman have an unsafe feeling they are experts, I prefer that over an idealist guy...
Second, why Obama have to wash his hands? let's open Gitmo to the public, let's send envoys [like to Iran or North Korea] let them have public attorneys, and no hide what was done there... anyway, when the prisoners are release they gonna say what was going on in there... so Obama's decision is not the smartest one, is one in many solutions... Kapput!
p.s. He's an expert knitting nice words, so he can say: 'Let's get rid of the paranoia and serve justice'
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Why is it people think that because Gitmo is going to be closed that the prisoners are going to be released into the wild like Geese? They're not going to be set free just because it's closed. They're going to keep them in detention just like all the other terrorists we have locked up in various detention facilities, only we're going to do something about finding out which one's the terrorists are. Legally.
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Originally Posted by Shelley_c
Really, I've now stereotyped living victims of 9/11. Noooooo. I think you've just plain forgotten, back then we were in shock, are we now not in shock anymore? oh,hold on.... many years have passed it's a little less important now and we should just simply forget, after all the families affected, directly affected have moved on. Yeah, course they have. I don't stereotype anything. Like I stated. It's all very well having your high morales, and waving the hand of justice and fairplay but you'll never have to worry about direct terrorism. Maybe you will, we will see. You messiah may spread the word of love and feel dialogue and treating these animals with kids loves but you may be feeling the repercussions.
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That's what it's tantamount to, Shelly. Of course time heals the wounds somewhat, but never completely. But we should never want a system of justice that acts on first emotions, but on common sense and fair play. There's a reason we call these things "ideal". Because that's the way their supposed to be. Besides, since when is doing things legally tantamount to "kid gloves". They're still going to be locked up. They're still going to be treated as suspects. The only difference is we're going to actually try to find out if we haven't locked up any one wrongly, and we're going to do it in a way that doesn't involve attaching car batteries to people's genitals. You know, legally? The illegal tactics do nothing more the tourture anyway. They do not garner information accuratly.
By the way, what sense of satisfaction do you get by using the phrase "Messiah" in a deprecating fashion? We've said time and again that we think Obama is sensible and has good judgment. Nothing more. Why do you feel the need to mock that? It doesn't advance the discourse at all, and in no way makes your point any clearer.
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I'm not sure why your showing me those pictures, There's nothing new that will shock me or make me feel they are victims. Heck, Most of you americans aren't even victims yet your good at defending the terrorists that kill your neighbours, the hardworking man/woman.
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I wasn't showing you the pictures, Shelly. They were directed at someone else's comments, to a different point entirely, as the quote indicates.
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And lets just have a re-cap. You've released terrorists. They have gone back to terrorism and plotting the next attack whether it's in america, uk or anywhere else in this world. Yes? Does that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? should it? yes it should. Your not directly been affect and probably never will.
Anyway, Like i said, you think times were hard, it will get harder.
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Ok, lets recap. Bush released terrorists. Not Obama. He released them, or in this case, him, under a flawed system of justice that Obama wants to shut down. See, Bush/Cheney's Gitmo wasn't making us safer. So we need something better. Again, why does everyone think that shutting Gitmo down means setting all the prisoners free? We're shutting down a faulty system of justice, an unreliable means of intelligence and a stain on the American reputation. We're gonna keep the actual terrorists, in case you were wondering.
01-23-2009, 06:03 PM
It is indeed a tough situation and I'm glad I'm not the one having to make the decisions. Bush made his and I suppose history will be the judge...same goes for Obama. I just hope that a wrong decision either way doesn't cost innocent lives. 
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