Hack Tracking Log -> list of hackers who support it

[KuraFire]

OK, I've spoken with several dozens of hackers over the past month, many have asked me how many hackers have said to make HTL hacks, and many others have been saying that they will make HTL hacks, most of 'm exclusively.

So instead of constantly answering "well, I don't know a detailed number but it's growing fast!" all the time, I figured I would just make a thread here and keep a list of ALL hack makers that have agreed to support the HTL - either exclusively or in general (ie. normal and htl releases both).

If you want to support the HTL by saying that you will release HTL-compatible hacks (exclusively or not, either is fine), please post your name in this thread and tell me whether you will go HTL-exclusive or both. Thanks in advance.


Here's the INCOMPLETE list, in alphabetical order.

dan
Dark_Wizard (exclusive)
DarkSSJ3 (exclusive)
eXtremeTim (exclusive)
Hiall (exclusive)
KuraFire (exclusive)
LeeCHeSSS (exclusive)
Link14716 (exclusive)
M|th
merk (exclusive)
Natch
Rein Masamuri
TheAnt (exclusive)
TheComputerGuy
trafix (exclusive)
..you?
..probably most of the 50+ people who have the HTL installed right now and are using it.



Non-hack related supporters:
(includes people of whom I'm not sure they will release HTL-hacks)

21productionz
Austin Dea
Bane
C.Birch
Darth Cow
evil
Faranth
msimplay

[Chris Gwynne]

Does it really matter who supports it and who doesn't? What's the point of this thread.

[Dean C]

What Chris said?

[KuraFire]

Originally Posted by a-drive

Does it really matter who supports it and who doesn't? What's the point of this thread.

Yes, people keep asking me about what hackers are supporting the HTL. This thread allows them to see for themselves, and gives others an easy way to keep track of what people releasing HTL-hacks.

And you were one of the people that asked me (several times even, I think) what people were going to support the HTL.

[Chris Gwynne]

Originally Posted by KuraFire

Yes, people keep asking me about what hackers are supporting the HTL. This thread allows them to see for themselves, and gives others an easy way to keep track of what people releasing HTL-hacks.

And you were one of the people that asked me (several times even, I think) what people were going to support the HTL.

I asked you yes, out of mere curiousity, I didn't mean for you to create a thread for it.

[KuraFire]

Originally Posted by a-drive

I asked you yes, out of mere curiousity, I didn't mean for you to create a thread for it.

I know, but you were by far not the only one who asked me, and a public location is just so much easier for people....

And it saves me a lot of time, too. Time I can spend on improving the HTL and making the Modules Manager, for instance

[Princeton]

kura,
You previously stated that you are doing this for "the community". If this is true, you would probably get more support...
If you add these options for hackers:

• Create .htl installer
• Create standalone installer
• Create .txt file
• Create ALL of the Above

AND ...

• the abilty to view all content (files/templates/phrases) to the end-user - I'm not talking about what the author wants you to see ... I'm talking about EVERYTHING.
• the ability to NOT save hack data onto the server (I think this is a waste of space.) - I would rather have the htl read from each .htl file if and when needed.

listen to my reasoning before you go off on your ranting...

1. the end-user (the members here) will have a choice
2. you will enable all hackers with a choice
3. no one would feel that they are forced to install your htl
4. no one would feel that they are forced to accept "your standards"
5. the .htl will be more widely used

If you do all of the above, everyone will SEE that you are doing this for the better of "the community".

[Lesane]

You made a great hack Kurafire but i think that you are 2 obsessed with it

My opinion: I want a normal txt file by the hacks, this is the way we always had and if hack authors wants to add ht files with it then fine with me.

[KuraFire]

Originally Posted by princeton

kura,
You previously stated that you are doing this for "the community". If this is true, you would probably get more support...
If you add these options for hackers:

• Create .htl installer
• Create standalone installer
• Create .txt file
• Create ALL of the Above

I would, but you have to understand that I'm not a magician!!! I can't make several weeks worth of coding in a day!
I already made a Create .txt File option for the HTL, and am awaiting vB.org to respond to it - if the .txt made by the HTL is sufficient, I will release that version.

A standalone installer is at least a month's worth of work, cos creating ready-PHP code in PHP code while also doing a LOT of intricate things inside that all.... well, it's just not easily done in one's spare time.

Originally Posted by princeton

AND ...

• the abilty to view all content (files/templates/phrases) to the end-user - I'm not talking about what the author wants you to see ... I'm talking about EVERYTHING.
• the ability to NOT save hack data onto the server (I think this is a waste of space.) - I would rather have the htl read from each .htl file if and when needed.

The first can already be done, though if you mean you want to read out the XML files into an interface, then yeah that's the only thing we can't do with it yet, and I will try to look into making that possible (but vB3's functions can't be used for that, so I'd have to write my own xml parsers entirely for that, that === more time once again).
The second is a good idea, and I'll look into adding it. Like... you upload the .htl from your harddrive to do a (verbose) Test run of it on your HTL. That would ensure that:
a) your database will not be touched
b) you get to see what each step does
c) you don't have to upload any files to the server yet, only a temporary upload from your harddrive to test things out.


Would that be sufficient? If not, what more do you want? :\

Originally Posted by princeton

listen to my reasoning before you go off on your ranting...

1. the end-user (the members here) will have a choice
2. you will enable all hackers with a choice
3. no one would feel that they are forced to install your htl
4. no one would feel that they are forced to accept "your standards"
5. the .htl will be more widely used

If you do all of the above, everyone will SEE that you are doing this for the better of "the community".

The new feature `Make .txt Installer` alone will already take care of those 5, so I guess I'll be releasing that version soon. Would that please you?

[KuraFire]

Originally Posted by Lesane

You made a great hack Kurafire but i think that you are 2 obsessed with it

My opinion: I want a normal txt file by the hacks, this is the way we always had and if hack authors wants to add ht files with it then fine with me.

I just want to say one thing to you, Lesane

Your Store Hack for vB2 would've been so much easier to handle with the HTL. You would've loved it and be obsessed with it too had you had it back then, with this functionality.

But like my post above said, I may well release the new HTL with the text installer, soon.